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Edited by Codykins: 10/14/2017 1:03:45 AM
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Destiny 2 - Shelved; My Final Thoughts

Thanks for reading my thread. Let me first start off by saying, that I have sifted through the toxicity of these forums for what will mark 10-Years in the coming months. Things never used to be as bad as they are now, but expectations and entitlement have pushed people to new lows, so take what you read ahead to your own liking, it is merely my insight, analysis, and opinions.. [b]EDIT NOTE #1:[/b] Thank you all for your words, wisdom, input, and thoughts. I appreciate the time and effort you've put into both taking the time to read my thread, and reply, good and bad. Didn't know this thread would take off the way it did. [b]EDIT NOTE #2:[/b] Perhaps some of you misunderstand, I'm not permanently quitting, I am shelving the game until things are fixed, preferably in the near future, or unless my friends message me to help them in activities. To those giving me the obligatory "Git Gud in D2", I have a 2.0~ K/D Ratio in both games, and I only Solo Queue unless my friends need help, thank you. This topic will culminate my final thoughts of Destiny 2, why I'm going back to Destiny 1, and why it is not only the biggest letdown I've ever had to my gaming history, but to why it is also a lifeless shadow/shell of Destiny 1. [url=https://i.imgur.com/XyErfav.jpg]The game will now sit in my game room, as of tonight, as a collectors item, and nothing more[/url]. The only time I will play it now, is if somebody on my friends list personally wants/needs my help. Let's begin. I decided to log into Destiny 1 tonight and play 5 games of Crucible. [url=https://i.imgur.com/XyErfav.jpg]I cannot even begin to explain how much better Destiny 1 not only feels after playing Destiny 2, but how it handles, and how much stronger, faster, and less held-back you feel. I felt like a god jumping into Control and quite literally slaughtering the enemy team single-handed.[/url] I had more fun again than I could put into words. Then I remembered Destiny 2 was a thing again. Bungie has literally watered down everything we ever loved about Destiny, in Destiny 2. Everything feels weaker, everything feels slower, everything feels forced. The truth of the matter is, while processing the hype, taking in the story-line (something we can all agree was better than Destiny 1's) and going through it all, many began to fathom the realization that there is essentially no end-game, no reason to grind after a certain period of time. I even deleted my Titan to make a second Warlock and ran through the Campaign, again... Then deleted my Hunter and lost motivation entirely after I created him again. I often find myself sitting in orbit thinking of SOMETHING to do to have fun in this game. Destiny 2 eliminates any sense of individuality that the first game presented, and instead tries to force us to cope with relying on people we don't even know, which in turn causes frustration. Bungie has essentially weakened everything to the point where it FORCES teamwork in order to even get through a casual Crucible match. Abilities take far too long to recharge (Even with EVERY piece of armor having the "Abilities recharge quicker when using <Subclass>", Supers take far too long to get, and feel significantly weaker now, due to energy weapons doing 1.5x damage to someone in their super (Honestly, who thought this was a good idea, especially since you essentially only get ONE super per game now, I could see it being viable if it was like D1, where you could get 3-4 supers per match). A lone guardian can now take someone out of their super with an energy auto rifle faster than if they didn't have their super active. That's extremely backwards, considering a super not only takes ages to charge, but is supposed to be...Well, Super. A not so-super choice, Bungie. PvE has almost nothing going for it when you bridge your power level at around 280, apart from the Raid - But wait, that essentially has nothing going for it either besides the smallest bit of vanity. Why do I say that you ask? The weapons have near-nothing special about them besides appearance, which brings me to the biggest problem this game faces: Fixed Rolls / Stats. Many assumed this would be a good thing, many assumed a bad thing. I've stuck with the bad, and for good reason(s). Fixed rolls have made this game extremely stale. Customization and Play-style have both been hindered and extremely limited by this simple thing. If you want specific traits (Resilience, Mobility, Recovery) you have to give up customization almost completely to get the stats you want. Not only that, but having fixed rolls / stats also has removed 95% of replayability. By removing rolls on weapons / armor, you've essentially removed almost any need to continue playing after you reach 305. Destiny 1 had it right; 3 Years, and there was still things to go for. Perk rolls made a gun or armor have dozens and dozens of possibilities; Dozens! You could essentially customize your ENTIRE playstyle, both gameplay and vanity wise. Like that armor? Get it to drop with the right stats you want and you could wear it doing whatever you pleased. Like that gun, but it has bad stats? No problem, get the right perks on it and you could fix / balance the stats out and make the gun usable and fit your play style needs. These things don't exist in Destiny 2. Bungie, you've essentially limited everything we're able to do, mainly for the sake of player-vs-player. Individuality in PvP is nearly gone, and you're forcing teamwork. Customization has been limited to the point where we have to sacrifice nice looking armor or weapons in order to obtain optimal gear for activities, due to perks and stats being fixed, Everything feels exponentially weaker, especially in PvP, everything is too slow paced, and you can essentially walk away from 1v1's if you're losing. I want to feel like I'm shooting more than a marshmallow gun at my enemies. PvE has non-existent replay value after you've completed the campaign / adventures, apart from Public Events, which is only used for farming exotics at this point, what little exotics there are. I mean, at this point, I have essentially almost every single legendary in the game vaulted right now, it's ridiculous. Also, Exotics feels extremely...Not-Exotic in this game. Even after Three of Coins became a thing in Destiny 1, atleast exotics felt superior over legendary gear. Not so much in this game. Things need to seriously change in this game, Bungie. I want to love this game, I really do, but...I just can't, not right now. According to logs, players are leaving this game faster than I've ever seen. Things needs to feel stronger, we need to feel less held-back, we need incentive to keep playing; Stuff to work for, stuff to grind for, stuff to desire. [u][b]I'll end with saying this:[/b][/u] Pop Destiny 1 back in your Xbox / Playstation, give it a try again for a day. I promise you won't regret it, I'm even deleting a character and starting anew. [b] Final Note: ALL the Playstation Exclusives are now available on Xbox on Destiny 1.[/b] Thanks for reading my thoughts. Remember, this is all opinion / insight. You'll know where to find me; On the game I love.

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  • I went back into D1 crucible. Stupid fast kill times, shoulder charges, boatloads of non-counterable scenarios. Had s terrible time. Ran a strike, the two people I were with didn't use their supers at all until the boss fight, despite me using it twice to generate enough orbs for them to get 80% back. Walked around patrol, remembered how stupidly boring it was. Did a story mission, with 5 lines of ghost dialogue that left me more confused about why the mission existed in the first place. And golden gun sucked. Yeah, I'm happy with Destiny 2 compared to Destiny 1. I'm happy with Destiny 2 period. I've already gotten more than I could have hoped for, from enjoying the story to raiding with friends, even meeting new people and my current partner. D2 is great.

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    • Agreed! Fixed rolls are ridiculous. Not everybody is looking for god rolls, some people are just looking for different rolls that adapt to different playstyles.

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      • Destiny 2 loot system is worse than most pay2win games except I can’t throw money at my screen to reach max power. Is it sad that I’m excited for D1 to finish installing?? Looking forward to actuslly using good unique guns again. D2 just feels like a slap in the face...

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        • Your Post: My Zero F*cks

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        • Well written with good points. So I play destiny with my wife who doesn't take this game as serious as I , and most of the people on this forum. She is what you would call a "casual" gamer. She doesn't read these forums or any reviews of the game. I haven't been negative in front of her about Destiny 2 (not too much) because I want her to have fun. When she has fun, I have fun. I enjoy playing side by side with her on the nights she's not working. She turned to me last night and said " I don't know about you, but I liked the first game better." I had to agree with her. My wife who is Mrs. Casual said that Destiny 2 needs to change or she's not going to be playing long. When she left for work, I turned off Destiny and made a new Warframe account and played through the first 5 missions. What a disappointing shame this game has turned out to be. All carved up in pieces so they can sell you bits of it every couple months. Its a scam the way these video makers make their games now. $60 base game is just the that, the basic game. Then you need to buy 6 dlc to have a complete game. Now you have $200 into it and it seems to be going in a better direction and then the scrap it all and start over with another empty, hollow piece of crap. So they can sell it all back to you again. SCAM!!!

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          • Coming back in year 3 when it's no longer vanilla. That's if it gets that far.

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          • Man I want to disagree with you, call you salty, and moved on, but I just can’t. I agree with your point 100%. I spent 9 months chasing after a decent Hopscotch Pilgrim and when I got it, it felt like it was worth every second of the grind.

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            • My husband and I feel the exact same way. You nailed it better than I could. We LOVED the story missions and adventure quests... they were [i]amazing[/i]. But this "after game"... [i]thing[/i]... is boring. There's nothing to really grind or work for. I don't care in the slightest about the raid, because everyone I know says it's awful, so I feel like I shouldn't even waste my time. I feel like I only played D2 for the storyline, which is all well and good, but I was under the impression that there was [i]more to do[/i]. Even if there is more to do, there's literally no motivation to do it. And this shader and modification system nonsense is bull. I'm disappointed, because I enjoyed Destiny 1, and I would very much like to enjoy Destiny 2. On that note, I don't like my hand held when it comes to our class and trees--they simplified it way too much. My intelligence is highly insulted by this crap. As a game geared towards a teen+ audience, I can guarantee you that a teenager can figure a class tree out. The game's mediocre at best... and I really, really wish it wasn't. I want to love Destiny 2. I want to keep playing. But [i]why[/i]?

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              • Edited by D2 is cancer: 10/11/2017 9:11:10 PM
                Never bought the game. I'm free from this mess lol. Those still playing, keep on enjoying this mess. Maybe if you keep telling yourself that it will improve, you may be right, it may improve in THREE years. Good luck on waiting... waiting is the Destiny2 ENDGAME anyways.

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                • Edited by SpitKing: 10/11/2017 11:38:02 PM
                  These are all of the same complaints that we voiced during the beta and were met with cries of "Its a 5 month old build!!! This is just a beta!!! Full game will be so much better!!! Cancel your preorder then!!!" We tried to voice what was wrong with the game in hopes that it would be tweaked or fixed by launch but nope...nothing. Player movement feels as slow as it did, supers power up just as slow, weapons feel just as weak, content is lacking just as it was. None of it got fixed and none of it will most likely. Maybe the same fools that are telling everyone to just quit playing (instead of voicing their displeasure and offering feedback) would keep to themselves and let the feedback flow, maybe Bungie would actually wake up and make some much needed changes.

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                  • Why doesn't Bungie comment on these posts? Oh wait, they don't like commenting on truthful posts.

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                  • In summary: Destiny 2 is the "No Fun Zone"

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                  • Fixed rolls is the biggest let down of D2

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                    • Good post. A lot of valid points. I hope someone from Bungie takes note.

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                    • This summary is perfect. The game feels prehistoric... like a prequel or something. D1's Crucible feels vibrant, fast and smooth. I can do it for another 3 years no problem.

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                    • We are the Burning Phoenix, and we are looking for the best of the best as we are nearly level 6. We want actives willing to make set schedules for the raid and the trials of the nine. We are Primarily Americans so don’t expect to get schedules that fit your needs if you’re on the other side of the world. It would Be helpful if you let Either the founder(Jacks0225) or Admins(Tarashi or dragon lord) know your play times. If you are inactive don’t expect to stay long. Use the app regularly, chat in the clan chat, turn those notifications on, and help clan mates out. Clan Link:https://www.bungie.net/en/ClanV2/Chat?groupId=2245857 A like to help us get seen would be appreciated.

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                      • Couldn't agree more with everything you said. There is no point to keep playing after a certain point and that point has come in less than a month after release? There is no replayability unless you just enjoy this game, as is, so much that you don't care if you're getting your thousandth duplicate. When it comes to PvP it also isn't an enjoyable experience. Nothing more frustrating than having someone start losing their 1 v 1 and they blink away.. wtf. Wouldn't happen in D1. Now you HAVE To team-shot against good players because they only challenge when they feel they have the advantage. The weapons are unbalanced. I loved using hand cannons but now you usually get melted before you get your 3rd shot off if the other person is using an auto, machine gun, or sidearm up close and they have even decent aim. It's just all around disappointing because like you I really want to like this game but I simply do not as is... shame.

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                        • What. D2 has too much to do for three character every week. Your entitled to your opinions, but I see a complete redo from D1 that makes it stand separately except with some back-lore loosely added into the game database. I’ve barely completed every activity on one character...just to show how much content there is right now to complete three times over. It’s pretty mind-blowing.

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                        • Well said! Couldn't agree more.

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                        • Read like 16 words but same

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                        • Destiny 2 should've been an expansion for D1. All D2 content is there but D1 core gameplay remains the same.

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                        • Ive already seen every single topic you presented 4 times so you didnt need this post for one. 2. The gane isnt bad because you dont like the change of pace and style 3. replay value is still an issue because power level is a dumb stat 4. random rolls were impossible to balance 5. im too lazy to continue

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                          • Ahh...my machinegun boots with Armamentarium. Come at me.

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                          • I honestly don't know why Bungie thought adding both trickle and juggler as permanent modifiers would be fun...

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                          • Played D1 recently ... My Voidwalker was once again a life-force siphoning vampire with scatter grenades galore, Nirwin's Mercy loaded up, his beloved "Each New Day" glued to his hands, and a backtalking machine gun (aka Super Good Advice) slung over his shoulder. D2 has some good things going (fast travel, public events marked, etc.) But it's not as much *fun* as D1. Now we are back to 3 strikes, fixed loadouts for abilities and weapons.

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