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Edited by bip:
7/13/2017 4:33:21 AM
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There may be a lot more red bars coming in the future.
None of us like lag. It ruins our games. We've always been highly vocal about this issue towards Bungie, and for good reason. However, we may soon see the servers of Destiny 2 flooded with red bars, and it won't be the player's, nor Bungie's fault.
The FCC, a part of the U.S government that regulates communications, cable, broadband, and internet, is planning on pushing the plan to remove Net Neutrality protections. I won't go into the nitty gritty, as there's a lot of technical stuff to it, but imagine it as this: the Internet will become cable.
Do you wanna browse Netflix? Well you'll have to buy your ISP's (Internet Service Provider) [b]Television Pack[/b], containing the ability to access sites like Hulu, Amazon, and Netflix. If you aren't willing to pay that extra monthly fee, you'll be blocked from entering those sites.
What does this have to do with Destiny? Well, let's say that Time Warner wants Bungie and Activision to pay them a monthly fee, or else they'll throttle the speeds of their customers when playing Destiny 2. Not only will this be commonplace, it will be [b]perfectly legal[/b]. Don't believe that it would happen? They [b]already did it to League of Legends and Netflix[/b], and it's not even legal right now.
https://www.polygon.com/2017/2/9/14548880/time-warner-lawsuit-new-york-league-of-legends-netflix
So, if Net Neutrality protections are revoked, expect ISPs to charge you in the same way they do cable for the ability to go to certain sites. If they don't like a site, such as 4chan or b.net, they can slow your access to it, and there's nothing you can do about it. They can tell Bungie to pay up, and if they don't, all their customers will become red bars in Destiny 2.
How can you help stop this? Today, July 12, is the big day to protest and make a fuss. Email and call your state representative, let all your friends and family know, rally support. If we don't let Congress know our opinions in as huge a manner as possible, they will allow the Internet to become a place that ISPs can freely and legally exploit.
[b]Nobody wants a Crucible match filled with red bars. Help save the internet.[/b]
Check out https://www.fightforthefuture.org for more info and ways to help.
EDIT: Wow, the support for this has been nothing short of incredible! Thank you to everyone who's been voicing your support. However, there are two details I want to talk about.
One: This goes much further than red bars in the Crucible. This issue is completely and utterly anti-American. Those who are saying so in this thread are completely right. I used the example of red bars as a way to show this subforum that this affects [b]everyone[/b] in the U.S with an internet connection, and more than a few outside the States as well.
Two: This is not a red vs. blue issue. Ajit Pai, the head of the FCC, is not doing this because he is Republican. He is doing it because he's a former Verizon lawyer who is supporting these huge corporations. This is not the time to bicker over who's at fault; now is the time to band together and let Congress know that [b]people care.[/b]
EDIT 2: A tiny couple of people believe that we can't do anything, that the internet is doomed already. To them, and to anybody who's reading this, I want you to look at this.
https://imgur.com/a/vYVet?
We aren't alone. Thank you all for caring.
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15 RepliesLet's all take a moment to realize that the major issue here is not red bars in the crucible. It's porn. Imagine your favourite porn site buffering every 30 seconds. I mean wouldn't affect me I'm done in 24 but there are people out there that this could greatly hinder their quality of life
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Arcadia jump ship fuel can't melt spinmetal nodes
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5 RepliesYou can't join the Destiny servers. Error code: Dead eagle
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10 RepliesEdited by Nike: 7/13/2017 8:47:33 AMTo those who falsly claim net neutrality does nothing— (A history of net neutrality infringements from freepress.) [b]MADISON RIVER[/b]: In 2005, North Carolina ISP Madison River Communications blocked the voice-over-internet protocol (VOIP) service Vonage. Vonage filed a complaint with the FCC after receiving a slew of customer complaints. The FCC stepped in to sanction Madison River and prevent further blocking, but it lacks the authority to stop this kind of abuse today. [b]COMCAST[/b]: In 2005, the nation’s largest ISP, Comcast, began secretly blocking peer-to-peer technologies that its customers were using over its network. Users of services like BitTorrent and Gnutella were unable to connect to these services. 2007 investigations from the Associated Press, the Electronic Frontier Foundation and others confirmed that Comcast was indeed blocking or slowing file-sharing applications without disclosing this fact to its customers. [b]TELUS[/b]: In 2005, Canada’s second-largest telecommunications company, Telus, began blocking access to a server that hosted a website supporting a labor strike against the company. Researchers at Harvard and the University of Toronto found that this action resulted in Telus blocking an additional 766 unrelated sites. [b]AT&T[/b]: From 2007–2009, AT&T forced Apple to block Skype and other competing VOIP phone services on the iPhone. The wireless provider wanted to prevent iPhone users from using any application that would allow them to make calls on such “over-the-top” voice services. The Google Voice app received similar treatment from carriers like AT&T when it came on the scene in 2009. [b]WINDSTREAM[/b]: In 2010, Windstream Communications, a DSL provider with more than 1 million customers at the time, copped to hijacking user-search queries made using the Google toolbar within Firefox. Users who believed they had set the browser to the search engine of their choice were redirected to Windstream’s own search portal and results. [b]MetroPCS[/b]: In 2011, MetroPCS, at the time one of the top-five U.S. wireless carriers, announced plans to block streaming video over its 4G network from all sources except YouTube. MetroPCS then threw its weight behind Verizon’s court challenge against the FCC’s 2010 open internet ruling, hoping that rejection of the agency’s authority would allow the company to continue its anti-consumer practices. [b]PAXFIRE[/b]: In 2011, the Electronic Frontier Foundation found that several small ISPs were redirecting search queries via the vendor Paxfire. The ISPs identified in the initial Electronic Frontier Foundation report included Cavalier, Cogent, Frontier, Fuse, DirecPC, RCN and Wide Open West. Paxfire would intercept a person’s search request at Bing and Yahoo and redirect it to another page. By skipping over the search service’s results, the participating ISPs would collect referral fees for delivering users to select websites. [b]AT&T, SPRINT and VERIZON[/b]: From 2011–2013, AT&T, Sprint and Verizon blocked Google Wallet, a mobile-payment system that competed with a similar service called Isis, which all three companies had a stake in developing. [b]EUROPE[/b]: A 2012 report from the Body of European Regulators for Electronic Communications found that violations of Net Neutrality affected at least one in five users in Europe. The report found that blocked or slowed connections to services like VOIP, peer-to-peer technologies, [b]gaming applications[/b] and email were [b]commonplace[/b]. [b]VERIZON[/b]: In 2012, the FCC caught Verizon Wireless blocking people from using tethering applications on their phones. Verizon had asked Google to remove 11 free tethering applications from the Android marketplace. These applications allowed users to circumvent Verizon’s $20 tethering fee and turn their smartphones into Wi-Fi hot spots. By blocking those applications, Verizon violated a Net Neutrality pledge it made to the FCC as a condition of the 2008 airwaves auction. [b]AT&T[/b]: In 2012, AT&T announced that it would disable the FaceTime video-calling app on its customers’ iPhones unless they subscribed to a more expensive text-and-voice plan. AT&T had one goal in mind: separating customers from more of their money by blocking alternatives to AT&T’s own products. [b]VERIZON[/b]: During oral arguments in Verizon v. FCC in 2013, judges asked whether the phone giant would favor some preferred services, content or sites over others if the court overruled the agency’s existing open internet rules. Verizon counsel Helgi Walker had this to say: “I’m authorized to state from my client today that but for these rules we would be exploring those types of arrangements.” Walker’s admission might have gone unnoticed had she not repeated it on at least five separate occasions during arguments. --- Don't let Net Neutrality slip away. ~[i]TheGreatNike[/i]
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193 RepliesF[u]u[/u]ck Trump, climate change deniers and anti-net neutrality supporters This is who you voted in.
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simple way to fix it if someone redbars or there speed dips below a certain threshold for X amount of seconds , they are booted from the game this would also prevent cheating in trials
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Typical American-capitalist bullshit ruining everybody else's experiences just so a handful of people can live life to a disgustingly excessive degree
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5 RepliesI really wish Bungie would get rid of the connection bar for D2. Its so not an accurate source of a persons connection
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The red bars in destiny were going to be there whether or not net neutrality comes into play. This game is what? 3 years... And for the last two it has been a constant sludge of despicable connection related issues. Typing the word destiny and lag will bring an avalanche of laughable videos. And the chorus of bungie apologists who trot out to defend them.. nearly every fps on the market handles connection issues better than bungie. Bungie simply does not wish to take the steps to ensure a good experience in the crucible...full stop
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3 RepliesBungie's new excuse for bad net code. "Sorry, it's not our fault, it's the net neutral act of 2017!".
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Obama was greenbarring, Trump is redbarring.
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5 RepliesThank god i live in england and don't put up with that bullpoop.
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10 RepliesI'm gonna go email my state representative right now and tell him that I don't want to see red bars in the crucible
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35 RepliesEdited by Matsudaira: 7/13/2017 11:39:12 PMYay for propaganda. Here's one -- NN as it exists today should be disbanded. If you're so keen on government protected internet access, petition your government to make a federal network that you can use. Leave the free market to fight and evolve as it's always done without the government holding it back with useless, costly regulations. Everything the government touches in the market turns to garbage. If you think NN is such a great idea -- go ask for a welfare network you can use so the rest of us can pay for the best. Like we always have. Tidbit -- health industry is a mess because of the regulations the government has mandated that kills competition. This allows a provider to charge you $500 for a 30 minute consultation because the "insurance" will pick it up. Prices like that wouldn't happen if the market was free. Look at the auto insurance market. It's unregulated by the Feds, unlike health and it's far more competitive. FDA approval is also what keeps many life saving products from ever seeing the light of day because of the expensive bureaucracy involved with testing and approving. Many solutions are tested out of business. FDA is also the reason that medication can cost over $1,000 a month for some people - it creates scarcity. I'm not saying no to the FDA, but be careful what you wish for. Our government wasn't created to manage the economy, the free market. Think about what you're wishing for when you condemn the free market to whim of the corrupt government that can't run a simple DMV level business. I sit at 200Mbps. A friend in FL sits at 15Mbps, with the national average being around 5Mbps. The government isn't going to fix that problem, they created it when they slammed business out of the markets from astronomical fees and regulations to lay piping.
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2 RepliesWhy do people even want this? It doesn't seem to have any benefits.
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8 RepliesWe shouldn't have to pay for our freedom to talk, chat and connect with each other.
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4 RepliesWhether it is or it isn't - I want to state how sorry I am for America that this is even a debate, but I have a question. Is this something that would affect me, as a UK citizen, or is it exclusively an American issue?
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Speaking of lag, how do you guys get red bar? I just throw my router in the dishwasher.
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5 RepliesGuy makes Net Neutrality post on bnet and all of a sudden match making issues start occurring for Destiny. Coincidence? And for anyone that wants the cliff notes version on what net neutrality is... this definition is pretty simple and easy to understand IMHO: Net neutrality is the principle that Internet service providers should enable access to all content and applications regardless of the source, and without favoring or blocking particular products or websites.
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As of now, we're living in a Second Gilded Age. With the exponential rise of the Internet, the economy has expanded greatly over the course of the twenty-first century so far, and as the economy has expanded so quickly, proper regulations and market balancing are struggling to keep up. Consequently, the big corporations--the ones with the most money and influence--can pretty much do whatever they want within the Internet. Last year was a terrible year for copyright claims on YouTube, as companies and corporations would exploit it to censor and suppress users who spoke out against them or criticized their products/actions. Now, with the lack of Net Neutrality, corporations would be able to do this on a much larger scale by throttling connection to competitors or those that they don't favor. If this continues to go on, big businesses are going to have a virtually oligarchic hold over the Internet and eventually use it as a weapon for politics, creating mass divisions across society that could literally split--[i]literally[/i] split--the Internet into radical-left and radical-right blocks; a massive civil conflict could erupt. The Internet of today could transform into the American railroad, steel, and oil companies of the late nineteenth century if we don't put a stop to all of this.
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What are people such babies!! I will 1v1 any of you and go through you like a steam train ahaha
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26 Replies[quote]This is not a red vs. blue issue. Ajit Pai, the head of the FCC, is not doing this because he is Republican. He is doing it because he's a former Verizon lawyer who is supporting these huge corporations. [/quote]But it IS a Red vs Blue issue. Huge corporations are MUCH more likely to be Republican donors and favor deregulation because, surprise, it puts money in the pockets of huge corporations. Who deregulated airlines, banks, the financial industry, etc? Not the Democrats... This is just more of the same.
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1 ReplyGoddamnit America I regret being born to the north of u
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1 ReplyWhat kind of makes me more upset is I feel like these companies are so uncaring about what everyone else thinks that theyll just go ahead and do it anyways,[i] BECAUSE THERES ABSOLUTELY NO WAY WE KNOW WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT! RIGHT GUYS?[/i]
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These dumb-blam!- companies are literally trying to treat the internet like the monopoly by destroying competition for other sites. -blam!- these guys!
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No the red bars will be there because destinys multiplayer sucks. D2 will be a lag fest pvp just like the first
