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Edited by BattleCry1986:
6/7/2017 6:36:31 PM
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Power Creep – Fix needed in D2 ?
[spoiler]Power creep is a process that sometimes occurs in games where new content [b]slowly[/b] usurps the power of previous alternatives. This leads to players abandoning previous options in favor of the latest and more powerful alternatives, resulting in an inevitable increase in power throughout the game.[/spoiler]
I think the Power creep in Destiny 1 was abysmal. One of, if not the worst system I have ever had the experience of playing with. Now, I understand that power creep itself is sometimes necessary for a game to continue a healthy life and that I am not advocating against it.
What I’m saying is, the Power creep methods used by Bungie have been detrimental to the players much more than they needed to be. You see, apparently, nobody ever told Bungie that Power creep is supposed to happen slowly.
In a game, that claims to be about loot. Never, ever, ever, should a snap of the developer’s fingers cause all our hard-fought loot to become useless.
Please, someone explain to me why I need to farm the same exotic weapon that I have had sitting in my vault for the last two years again?
It feels like Destiny pretty much got smaller with every so called "expansion". This is something I hope they do a better job with in Destiny 2. What do you guys think?
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3 RepliesIn PVE, a measure of power creep is necessary in order to allow the player to feel the sense of power progression. However, power creep ruins PVP balance. This is the primary reason why they need to be separate and why Bungie's model even in D2 makes no sense. They have decidedly come down on the side of PVP over the last 2+ years, and they insist on consistency between PVE and PVP, which means power progression in PVE will likely be hampered by PVP balance. This was the case in Y2/Y3 and will likely continue into the future. I agree with your statement about loot going obsolete. That was one of the biggest problems of Y1. I thought Y1 was the most fun era this game had because the endgame items we got made a MAJOR difference in terms of reducing grind. Elemental primaries did x3 damage with appropriate burn active, rather than just x2 now. Power weapons were RIDICULOUSLY powerful, but they were so powerful and fun to use that even when you had nothing left to grind for, you kept playing so you could make use of them. In Y2, the power weapons felt like they made no difference. This was a function of strike boss mechanics and Bungie forcing encounters on us by not allowing us to bypass encounter mechanics with DPS as well as the fact that in Y2/Y3, they scaled AI HP UP and reduced the amount of damage we did to minions of the dark. The bottom line is that PVE felt like it was worth playing in Y1, whereas not so much in Y2. And that is why I quit. This was something I HOPED would change in D2, but PVE and PVP need to be separated in order for balance to exist in PVP and for healthy power creep to exist in PVE. That hasn't happened and we won't know that it WILL happen until patches start rolling out. Till then, it's all just rumors. And even if this does happen, how on earth are you going to feel more powerful when they replaced one of your power weapons with a less efficient primary weapon? It just can't work. Even if you scale HP appropriately, shooting a primary is just never going to be as fun as shooting a special/power weapon for that splash/burst damage.
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1 ReplyDestiny has very little power creep to speak of. Power creep is when your damage output continuously increases throughout the game, that doesn't happen here. What you're complaining about is the jump from Y1 to Y2, which wasn't even power creep, it was a reset that they felt was necessary in order to move forward (you can argue if it was needed or not but that's not the point). You want to talk power creep, go play Diablo 3 and see what true power creep is, or Witcher 3.
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Edited by Soul_Eater_42: 6/6/2017 5:36:34 PMI've seen more power [i]drain[/i] than power [i]creep[/i] in this game. Shitty nerf after shitty nerf.
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1 ReplyMake everything infusable from the start, boom, fixed. You can now keep anything legendary or exotic for the entire life of D2.
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Power creep is objectively bad. You're complaining about bad power progression.
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D2's gonna suck shit, best to play other games👎🏻
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1 ReplyI will say there may have been some power creep, but that's after they ripped our year one power away and made us shoot marshmallows instead of bullets... then they slowly increased the level of frozen and staleness of the marshmallows so that we eventually were shooting liquid nitrogen frozen 10 year old marshmallows. Better, but still poop compared to year one.
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Edited by KitsuneSonow: 6/6/2017 6:55:53 PMMost games either do one of two things when an expansion/level cap increase is release: -Make you re-farm weapons that you already have at higher levels -Make you farm new equipment that is much more powerful than your old equipment In Year 1 Destiny you could literately use all your old weapons until year 2 and after Year 2 basically anything you obtained you could keep/use forever, so Destiny is a lot more lenient with these. Also, to be honest, when power creep usually happens you see a significant change in how much damage is being dealt to targets, and that just doesn't really happen in Destiny because they cap how much damage you deal. Even with my 400 light gear, I still do only ~200 damage with Vision of confluence against a level 2 Dreg. Finally, some gear has actually been worse than what has come previously so.....there is that too.... For the sake of the argument I will say it needs to be changed, but in a way that makes us feel more powerful with each batch of new weapons that are released and removing damage caps on enemies.
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1 ReplyIt wouldn't have been so bad if the gear that followed was of equal or better value to that being left behind instead of just being mediocre shit.
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1 ReplyUmm, I've grinded to get my shit to 400 without issue so i don't see how Bungie needs to reinvent the wheel here in terms of light lvl and armor
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There's no power creep in this game, its been all power steep.
