In this report we discuss the possible relationship between the Vex Gate Systems and the Hive Realms.
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Edited by Raider TCK: 5/15/2017 10:24:49 AMLove your YouTube channel!
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Once again, great work! Your perspective on how these two relate is superb! :)
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Been liking the gym videos as well. Always good to see a fellow guardian who likes to pump iron.
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I mean... I asked Wally here over a year ago if this could be the case, and he said no. But whatevs.
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Just wondering how come the vex aren't on the moon or earth.
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Edited by Nyarancia: 5/16/2017 6:40:36 AMHere's the script[spoiler] Lore: The Hive Ascendant Realm and Vex Gate Connection Welcome back guardians, In today’s report we will begin investigating the potential link between the Hive Netherworlds or Ascendant Realms, and the Vex Gate System commonly referenced as time manipulation. In the last report we discussed the potential theory of this connection as presented by Ikora Rey. Her theory can be corroborated thanks to the guardian incursions during the Taken War on Oryx’s dreadnaught. While combing the spacecraft for past relics and Hive arcana, a few fireteams encountered pieces of a historical tome, dubbed the books of sorrow. The Books detail the plight of the Hive, originally called Krill, their transformation into the abominations we know today and the foundation of the power to Take. However, interestingly, there is a segment of the tome that is dedicated to the war with the Vex. A saga of betrayal, discovery and the ultimate focus of this report. Pocket Realties To start we should first explain both the Hive Netherworlds and the Vex Gate system to provide better context for the remainder of the exposition. There are a multitude of conflicting interpretations on what exactly the Netherworlds, also know as Ascendant realms, are. They range from pocket dimensions created through understanding the Worm god’s power, to self created realities based upon the image of the creator or the creator's own imagination. Both explanations are technically accurate, but also widely vague and not truly scientific. According to the Hive histories, the first ascendant plane was discovered by Oryx, just after his death during the Ammonite War. To give context, the Hive histories mention various, now extinct species that they have annihilated in support of the Worm gods and one such species was the Ammonites. These realms or alternate dimensions where were the Worm Gods resided, where there powers could muster and fester, tucked away from the Material world. An example of such a realm is the Oversoul Throne of Crota, as discussed by Ikora Rey when she stated “My latest Synthesis of the scattered esoterica suggests that Crota’s “Home” is a universe created or remade by his power and occupied by Hive organisms of immense age.” If a hive, that possessed enough power, was killed in our material realm, their soul or true essence would be transferred to their ascendant realm, in which they could recover and recuperate, preparing once again to penetrate our material dimension. There a three known ascendant realms, but it came assumed that total number of realms is relatively uncountable. However, the three we know are, The High War which was the ascendant realm located on the dreadnaught, the High Coven the ascendant realm of Savathun sister to Oryx and the Oversoul thorne the realm of the now long deceased Crota. Painting the Picture To visualize it more appropriately, image two sheets of paper lying upon one another. When you align both papers together, it would seem that there is only one piece, but when you stand those two pieces up with one another there is a space in between, separating them. The first sheet of paper is our home dimension, the second sheet of paper is an alternative dimension, like ours but with different choice variables. Not imagine that there is hundreds sheets of paper all standing side by side, now a thousand, now an infinite amount. This visual representation should better present the planes of dimensions or alternative universes that may exist in this understanding. The Tegmark Angle During the old earth age of the 21st century, many scientists began coining the term “multiverse” a hypothetical set of possible universes that contained all of existence. During this age, the an old earth cosmologist Max Tegmark would develop the classification of the multiverse and its four layers. His thought today helps explain the universal laws of the Hive ascendant realms and potentially outline the vex gate system. He described level one as an extension of our universe, having the same physical laws and the same volume of matter, with all matter acting in various ways to the home universe, in this case ours. Due to the theory of chaotic inflation, which is an extension of the old earth Big Bang Theory, there would be an infinite number of universes like the home universe. Imagine all actions you could take in an instance of choice being taken at once across an infinite amount of universes, every single possibility of chance all occurring. This, level one, classification shares similarities with what the vex have been seemingly capable of. They are known to be in multiple timelines, having structures or relics to their pride constructed in our dimension as if they were appearing through time presenting their age as mathematically impossible. Possibility We understand that the Ascendant Hive, beings of unimaginable power, can create their own realms through the power of the darkness and the sword logic. But what if these alternative dimensions have always existed and their movement between planes is only a simple discovery rather than a magnanimous creation. Is it also possible that the Vex can create their own dimensions, ones that are outside of the time continuum or what we know as the present, allowing them to transfer between timelines and exist in all potential outcomes of one variable choice. During the original Vault of glass incursions, guardians reported using Vex Gate ways to move back and forth between variable dimensions or realities. They reported the scenery changing from volcanic and fiery reds, to lush and tropical greens, but their location and the structures that surrounded them remained identical, further supporting the notion of vex time travel between various universes of dimensions. But how if it all, are the Hive Netherworlds or ascendant realms and the vex gate system related? The smoking gun, that directly supports Ikora Rey’s theory was found by guardians in the form of calcified fragments depicting the Hive’s first encounter with the Vex. Crota’s Wound It all began with Crota, the Hope Eater, son of Oryx and his quest to defy his father and better his sisters Ir Anuk and Ir Halak. He wished to understand further experiments of death defying realities of these Oversouls, it is stated. “With his sword Crota cut open a new wound, into a new space. In here he thought he might obtain a secret power. Out of this wound came machines called Vex.” At first the Vex did not understand the laws of these Hive created ascendant realms, the rules that governed them called the Sword Logic. To better combat the Hive and understand this new realm they have entered, the Vex created a high intelligence called Quria, Blade Transform. Quria would deduce and define the sword logic “I have to kill everything, Quria resolved. Then I will be powerful.” And thus Crota and these new Vex would make war, the Vex would seek to understand and usurp this power from the Hive, while the Hive could not let such an abrasive insult be left in their ascendant realms. But the war they had and the details that surround its outcome is a topic for another time. We wish to imply if there is a connection with the Hive realms and the gate systems of the vex. Questions Remain Perhaps there is something we still cannot know to more fully develop this hypothesis but the evidence we do have suggests that we are certainly seeking answers in the proper direction. If Crota could make a “wound”, as he called it, and what came from it was the Vex, could it be assumed, even supported, that the Hive Realms and the Vex Gates shares the same boundaries if not fundamental laws. Perhaps the Hive have the ability to create new dimensions, and the Vex have the ability to exist in ones already created or already existing. There is little to no evidence suggesting the vex have the ability to create alternative realities by simply willing it such as the Hive, their ability lies in moving and populating each and every dimension of reality. But if Crota can open a hole a in his dimension, his ascendant realm, and it linked to the vex, it suggests that there a connection between the two dimensions. Perhaps it is a difference of understanding on how these planes or realms work, perhaps they are ultimately the same thing, the Vex know how to move forward and backward through the realms, and the hive can create and modify new dimensions. Certainly this is a topic that needs more investigation as understanding the true potential of this interdimensional travel and creation could be used to turn the war against the darkness into our favor. Light Shines Eternal Unfortunately this report is open ended, more a theory with suggesting evidence, rather than a cold and played out story of facts and truths. We understand that both the Hive and the Vex have a quantifiable power, but this talk of alternative dimensions and pocket realties shakes the foundation of what we know to be real or possible. But we know that these ascendant realms cannot protect the Hive, guardians have proved that during their ascension and understanding of the sword logic on Oryx’s dreadnaught. We know the Vex’s super technologies can be mastered and used appropriately against them, even with all their variables and safeguards. Guardians have proven that no realm of existence is to be shadowed by the darkness and its foul slaves, for the light shines eternally in their actions. Walk Tall Guardians. [/spoiler]
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Just going to place a bump here... don't mind my wanderings and musings.