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4/14/2017 9:34:52 PM
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Should proven hacking be an exception to name and shame CoC?
We have all met them, people who cheat and hack. Now, as a single person reporting them, it doesn't do much. As a group it gets a red flag. As a mass report, it gets addressed.
Now, say I have a clip of someone invincible or running with a bottomless clip. I post that evidence and flag them as a hacker. I then get a ban for naming and shaming.
In the real world: I take a video of a guy being stabbed to death, and call the police. Nobody knows who the stabber is. I post it online as a "watch out for him" post and police put out a watch for him.
Now, do I get arrested for it, and the cops fired? No, it's viable evidence that gets the murderer caught quicker. Ever hear of neighborhood watch? Basically the same thing.
Now, how is that any different than here? Hacking is a online version of criminal acts, and should be addressed as such. In my opinion, pointing out a player by name, with ample evidence, should not only be removed from banworthy offenses, but encouraged on dedicated locations.
Basically a subforum on the base company's forums (MS, Sony, Activision, etc) specifically used to post clips direct to the system's dvr or in-game clip (youtube can be sketchy).
Naming and shaming should come down to 2 things: banworthy and community assist, where the latter is explained above. Banworthy basically includes "he killed us, report him", "he said bad things", and the typical "he cheated" without any proof at all.
Most players don't report behavior like this anymore, although there are a few who do, and I feel the only way to be rid of these hackers is to have somewhere to expose them. Then those of us who do care can help deliver justice where needed.
Give any constructive opinions. Yes, this derrived from the recent BO2 back compat playtime. However, it is a global issue among MANY games, both new and old that should be looked at. No, I'm not salty at losing or whatever dumb excuse anyone will give. It's simply stupid that the player, who means only to help the company and playerbase, gets banned and scolded for trying to help and the one who is being exposed getting away with it.
In all honesty, your profile should be tied to console IP, serial number, or the like. That way, too many bans on one IP or console would get the console shut down. However, I doubt that is possible.
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3 RepliesI think less than 10% of people are able to confidently tell you which direction is left and which is right without making L's with their hands or trying to ask Siri. Less than 0.01% can actually tell the difference between hacking and lagging. Naming and shaming is not allowed because morons in the past have started witch hunts against innocent players. These players have received death threats and have been spammed by abusive assholes that lack brain cells. The reason why companies themselves won't release names of known hackers/banned players is that they don't want to be accused of causing a loser to be murdered, abused, or stalked by an even bigger loser.
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1 ReplyNo, I don't think so at all. A ban is good enough. You don't need to find these people personally and whip them a few times with your dick m8, honestly you don't. What's the point of name and shame? People are going to be stupid about it and these days plenty of idiot kids are smart enough with tech to find addresses and phone numbers. Could spin up a harassment lawsuit pretty quickly.. something no company wants to deal with. But either way, I don't see why people want to name and shame these people. They clearly don't give a damn already.
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1 Replyactions should have consequences. a damn shame the ninjas dont agree with that
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I would think anyone who tampers with code should be free game for the name and shame. I remember playing call of duty several years ago and you could see guys flying, invincible and YouTube spams up the side of the screen. On a console these are obvious hacks and I would think any developer would want attention brought to it to snuff it out. All those folks do is ruin the experience for other legit players who just want to enjoy the content.
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You don't get to make those decisions. It's as simple as that. Yes cheats and hacks are scum and don't deserve to play, but it's up to the devs, and system people to enforce the "law". Report 'em!! [quote]Can't have you stringing up every cowpoke that looked at you sideways now, can we?[/quote]
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2 RepliesThe CoC on nearly every gaming site that I'm a member on is absolutely crystal clear. Naming and Shaming is absolutely forbidden. You get caught doing it, you pay the price. You see someone cheating, report them through XBL and PSN's report system.
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4 RepliesIt doesn't really work at all. Cheating is a grey area, some think exploiting glitches is cheating, some think keyboard and mouse is cheating, some think modded controllers are cheating, etc, etc. All you'll get is a cluster-blam!- of random people reporting random people. Think about it now, I'm sure you've heard a kid tell you he's going to get all his friends to report you for cheating because you killed him. The reports don't do anything. Most games/services have specific channels to report cheaters and hackers from which they will go investigate. I think or at the very least hope a report on Xbox or psn goes through a verification process to confirm that you have in fact played with the player you are reporting. Community reporting is stupid, just go through the proper channels and if you don't do anything they will probably be banned soon anyway in any relevant game.
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2 RepliesThe problem with that is that it introduces a grey area. Right now, the rules are very clear and easy to follow for ninjas-- see a gamer tag mentioned that doesn't belong to the person who posted it, and it gets taken down. If you change the rules, the ninja then has to make a judgement on the validity and weight of the evidence provided- Is he actually cheating, or is this really just naming and shaming? Given that ninjas aren't bungie employees, and that they largely work independently from each other, opening up that sort of ambiguity is asking for trouble. If we had professional moderators or closely coordinated volunteer ones, that might work. As is, though, I don't see how it could.
