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Edited by GrayWulf25:
4/14/2017 11:11:07 AM
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Errm every movie you go to see at the cinema you pay for before you have seen it or experienced it. So it is with all business - "caveat emptor" [let the buyer beware] is a fundamental principle of all business transactions. It means the buyer has the freedom of choice to buy an item or not, but the responsibility to check it's what he wants is his only. The seller has no responsibility to make sure you know what you are buying, that's down to you. It has always been this way.
And you do realise the entire reason for the existence of a company is to maximise profit for the shareholders? Again this is fundamental. How much profit do the shareholders want it to make? As much as it can. And no one forces anyone to buy micro-transactions, it's your choice.
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Watching a movie is not preordering. Before you watch a movie at the cinema, someone, somewhere has seen it. Knows the length of it and the content of it. Very different to preordering a game from an advert with no in game footage whatsoever, no indication of length or content. Your second point regarding profit. Yes, all businesses should make a profit, why shouldn't they. And yes, it's in their interest to maximise that profit. But to be the one who argues [u]for[/u] that when it's you giving that profit is downright ridiculous. In my next car purchase I might just go and barter the price [u]up[/u], they deserve it..
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Edited by GrayWulf25: 4/14/2017 11:56:00 AMThere is an act of faith involved in every purchase. You pay, then you get - in that order. People go to see films they have not read reviews for, nor watched a preview/trailer, because they like the director and/or the main stars so they have some faith they will like it. Happens every day all over the world People who have played this game for nearly 3 years have faith they will like D2 without having to see any game-play (although they have seen the trailer). They have faith Bungie will deliver a D2 that is as good and probably better than current D1. Nothing wrong with that, it's their choice. But for them to then be told by naive children they are "destroying the gaming industry" is laughable. And if you believe micro-transactions are rampant profiteering, don't buy any. A price is set by the seller and the buyer either finds it acceptable or moves on, free to choose something else
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Edited by DeadlyMenace: 4/14/2017 12:09:42 PMI think you'll find the people damning preordering and buying in app purchases are more like the sensible adults who have a grasp on real world finance, not the naive children. The naive children are the ones who can't help themselves buying something because of their "want it now" attitude or getting carried on the hype train. I am old enough and ugly enough to buy pretty much what I want, when I want. But I'm also old and ugly enough to have the self control not to unless it is a fair deal. So you can try and act grown up, calling people naive children, or you can face up to the fact you need to wise up and stop being one yourself.
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OK, so you are an adult but you cannot see that statements like the one at the top of this chain, that people buying digital items of their own free will are "destroying the gaming industry" is a pure fallacy? You say you understand it's down to free-will but then you support those damning others for exercising their free will. What other people choose to spend their money on is absolutely none of your business. It is not your place to castigate them. They chose to buy it you chose not to. That's it. There are no other implications. It is not the buyer's responsibility to consider their purchase against your moral judgements
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Edited by DeadlyMenace: 4/14/2017 12:39:56 PMMine and your opinion has no bearing on the [u]fact[/u] that committing to purchase an unknown product is ridiculous business, and therefore creating a developer biased condition. What these people do with their money is none of my business, correct. But it doesn't change the [u]fact[/u] that it is harmful to the balance of buying and getting value for money. The developers are making huge sums of money, huge. They can afford to do better deals than they do but they simply don't have to. Why? Because "must have its" and "it's my money" morons throw money at the screen
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That's an opinion not a fact. I don't think you know the difference. "Ridiculous" is a subjective value judgement, nothing factual about it. People can trust a game or film studio based on their past experience if they want to, nothing ridiculous about it. You are still projecting your own moral value judgments onto other people's choices.
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After D1 you would still trust them? Also even if you are so keen why pre order anyways? You are still going to play it at the same time as every one else? They can print infinite digital copies. What, you get free a cosmetic? Lol All you do is show them (devs) that they can treat you like an ATM in the future. Bungie at their studi now: Hah, look at those idiots throwing money at the screen and we haven't shown anything.
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Personally I haven't pre-ordered and won't be. I've never pre-ordered or paid for a video game. I have every Destiny release and DLC, mostly digital collector's editions and I have never payed 1 cent for any of it. I'll get D2 for free by the same means... However, I am defending the right of other people to buy what they want with their own money. You think pre-ordering makes a huge difference to the quality of the released product, I believe it doesn't. I have worked in the games industry, you probably haven't. I respect your right to your opinion though, I just disagree with it. Have a good Easter weekend anyhow.
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Thank you for being civil. Take care
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Edited by DeadlyMenace: 4/14/2017 12:57:48 PMMy [u]opinion[/u] is you are an idiot who will continue to argue because you're more than likely a child or young adult who "thinks" they know best because they read something about business once. The [u]fact[/u] is, I'm muting you because I can't reason with an idiot.
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Child resorts to personal insults after losing the argument. And working as a developer in the games industry, we'd all love to know what a "developer biased condition" is. Developers are all about the product. Marketing is all about the sale, the promotion and hype. You propose that micro-transactions are aiding the developer i.e. improving the product whilst holding the opposite view. Bye bye Dumbo
