[quote]You Children without any liquid income are not the target demographic. The sooner you accept this the happier you will be.[/quote] You are an idiot and you are wrong; Target demographics for video game industry is clear: 1) play at least 20 hour a week; 2) purchased at least 4 video-games in the last 6 months; I can provide source, but this belongs to a subscription payed database. Do you want a small screen capture? [quote]For "kids" that think that not preordering the game is going to somehow change the quality at release; you do understand that these games were already made years ago and that your purchase does not change them don't you?[/quote] Don't really understand where you want to get at... Since you start with the perspective from the marketing point of view, would be nice if you engaged in the scope of neuro-marketing. I would probably jump into that discussion... But this is what I would consider a rant from you. [quote]Good games like we had on NES, Sega, PS1 etc. were only complete games without DLC because the Internet had not yet become a viable media for the average consumer.[/quote] Really? I remember around 25 years ago downloading games from BBC's from a 9600 baud phone line. In fact most games traded at school in floppy's were obtained that way. The source was always a remote BBS. I wonder if you even know what I'm talking about... I also remember using a 7 minute gap to download images from orbital space station MIR... And a lot of other nice things... Still, in those days games had to be produced, carved into chips, bundled, distributed and booklets translated. Including monetary corrections, taxes, games were far more cheaper those days despite of a more expensive distribution chain compared to nowadays. Weird... Where you trying to get at? [quote]It's not hidden. The whole point of DLC is to substitute for lack of subscription fees. Xbox and Playstation already charge you for using your own internet. Bungie needs income to maintain servers and make a profit.[/quote] Right... Bungie needs to maintain infra-structure! They do it poorly, I would describe it as rookie work considering my background with critical mission systems in telco. The quality of service provided by Bungie is very far from typical telco SLA's. You would be more accurate if you used a description like: Bungie (and most game studios and publishers) are capitalist sharks who are only concerned about getting people's money. This would be a better description. [quote]If it costs 20 million to make a game that means you need to net 60 million to cover the first game to fund it's servers and the next game to stay in business.[/quote] Where did you got those numbers from? And which servers are you refering too? Because after the problems we've been seeing, I would probably assume they are renting a 3.99€ vm from OVH for API/Inventory server with limited bandwidth. Considering they introduced a serious problem in the base code of the game preventing people from joining other people in the same LAN and took nearly 9 months to solve it. Only thing I can see here is not a testament of quality or pro work, but instead of greed. I mean, probably H1B1's from India doing the real work and some american natives giving face. [quote]Now you have a widely availibe online environment thanks in most part to the target demographic of working ages 25 to 40 with liquid income that allows Development to expand games from 25 gigabytes to well over 60 gigabytes.[/quote] Source, because it's wrong. [quote]We in turn purchase these games and Internet subscriptions for you our [i]children.[/i] We buy your PS Network, Xbox Live, and we buy products placed in ads on your home screen that allow you the privilege to call yourself a "Gamer."[/quote] When you say 'we', you mean, YOU and the others like you... I call to those, the sheep. Bungie is the big bad wolf... [quote]You act as though there should be some kind of limitation on profit for Bungie, etc. as if there would be any games at all without any profit. ☆[/quote] There is a limitation, the number of sheep. [quote]Trees will stop being planted when you stop using paper.[/quote] Bullshit... If no trees are planted you and everyone else would die from CO2 contamination. [quote]Ask yourself this, "How can I be opposed to preordering while at the same time I buy books, newspapers, or go to the movies?"[/quote] Wrong... the real question is: 'would I ride this hype?'. [quote]When you don't preorder because you think the game is being cut up like a Pizza you are [i]actually[/i] asking for a game that did not have planned expansion and just because you knew some additional content had already been developed you [u]assume[/u] that it was cut from the original.[/quote] I don't pre-order because I don't ride hypes. Like I said, no dedicated servers for matches (PvP), no interest. My money won't be missed I'm sure of that. [quote]You whine and moan about pay to win, but you gladly play all the content it funds.[/quote] The only games I played all the content was World of Warcraft (until the Pandaria disaster), Witcher 3 and Final Fantasy VII for the PS1. The rest got me bored or uninterested very fat. [quote]You can get a good look at a T- bone by sticking your head up a bulls a**, but I'd rather take the butchers word for it.[/quote] Who the -blam!- is T-Bone? Some ghetto culture figure? [quote]I gladly threw my money at my screen because I am an adult. I pay taxes for my streets. I pay taxes to feed the homeless people who live in my streets. I pay people to pump the crap from my toilets under my house. I pay for the guy who collects my garbage. [/quote] Good for you. I thank you.... I live from your taxes and I don't work.... sorry! [quote]But heaven forbid the company that adds a bit of enjoyment to my life make any profit on my preorder![/quote] I'm so sorry for you... must be really a sad life :( [quote]Put simply if we all stop pre-ordering games today those games would not go to launch and we would never get to play them at all.[/quote] Oh... afterall, you also belong to the sheep. »smile» [quote][b]GET A JOB![/b][/quote] Gets me around 750K per year. Don't even have to leave my house...