Everything in life is debatable and I mean everything . "Jesus Christ was the son of god" or was he ? A. Yes, because my parents, the Bible , and my church say so . B. Show me actual proof and then I will agree with your statement . It can't be done. Note: For the record I'm a big proponent of Jesus . You could debate all day on any subject matter including preorder vs not and make it sound legitimate . It's no different then writing a paper or thesis in college. You just need the right about of facts to make your argument feasible as opposed to completely emotional. Hell, if you could read a horoscope long enough you can justify how it only applies to you and not as a general concept provided for every individual to enjoy. This forum is no different than anything else and is directly affected by your emotional point of view . The kid stuck in right field says let the debate rage on . In the end, we are going to do what we wanted to do all along. People are simple that way 😊.