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originally posted in:The Ashen Conflux
Edited by Parallax3601:
3/2/2017 7:15:03 AM
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Arguments and Discussion Regarding the Traveller
Hello!
I'd like to dedicate this thread to discussing the controversy of the Traveller, or rather, people's opinions on the Traveller. Obviously this is a hot topic among the community, but with no simple answer. You cant just say "The Traveller is secretly evil!" or "No way dude!" and be done with it -- I believe that Bungie has provided us enough legitimate information to consider many sides.
So what do you think? What's the Traveller's end-game? Does the Traveller represents a positive, negative, or neutral force?
What do you believe, and most importantly [b]why?[/b] Explanation is critical -- otherwise all you are doing is spouting an opinion with no real foundation. Bonus points for using actual evidence ;)
I encourage you to consider what we know from in-lore Guardian's who have in one way or another rejected the Traveller -- were talking Toland, Eris, Dredgen, Osiris, all that good stuff.
I plan on reviewing the claims made by anti-Traveller-ers, and producing counterarguments to support a short paper I'm developing on this topic :D
Thank you, and fair winds,
Parallax
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I'm going to answer this post with a post https://www.bungie.net/en/Forum/Post/222470566/0/0 I believe both the Light and Darkness want nothing more than to do what they believe is right, but the Light/Traveler believe that means letting all life flourish while the Darkness believes it means letting only those that don't die flourish The Traveler does its best to be what most beings would call positive or good, while the Darkness does its best to be what we would call negative to a positive result This argument is the debate between wether or not perfection can be achieved by shared prosperity or by reaching the Final Shape
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I actually just wrote a reply regarding this on another post. Part of the theory the OP pointed out dealt with the darkness turning humanity against itself during the collapse. That being why there is no evidence of dead enemy combatants from the collapse....the enemy was us, corrupted by the darkness. I found that bit of the theory very interesting. The whole idea of the darkness turning us against ourselves is very cool due to the different ways one can interpret that action. To me, if this holds true, then the whole story of Destiny could be an allegory of sorts detailing the nature of man. Mankind as a whole has an inherently dark or evil streak to it what with war, murder, etc. This allows for the jump to be made regarding the darkness not just being the big bad enemy but something inherently woven into every species it comes into contact with. At the same time though, this allows for a cool twist on the traveler. Rather than the traveler bring seen as this shining beacon of salvation, one could say she's more a physical embodiment of the inherent good in mankind. Teamwork, comradory, empathy, love, etc. If you take the darkness and the traveler in that sense, then really Destiny boils down to the constant struggle humanity faces pertaining to cooperation and strife. The latter being what happens when you give into the darkness and the former being those who choose to live by the light. I don't know, but I'd personally like the story to have a cool deep and impacting meaning like that when all is said and done.
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10 RepliesEdited by Darth Lunchbox: 3/2/2017 4:40:17 PMThe Traveler is dead, at least that's what they say in multiple cut scenes. It never made sense.
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50K glimmer says a dog's inside controlling everything...
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2 RepliesThe light is good and bad and the same with the darkness it is good and bad. The hive think the darkness is good because they understand survival comes at a price only the fit survive, and that the light is bad. We think the light is good and the darkness bad. It all depends on what you call good and bad.
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I don't think the traveler is good or bad, it's just what it is. It will bring light and darkness wherever it goes.
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3 RepliesConsidering how it has a history of uplifting several civilizations - both alien and our own - into a state of technological and social advancement and enlightenment, we could regard it's behavior as benevolent - in regards to it's interaction with other species. However this is merely [i]our[/i] perspective of [i]its[/i] actions; we will never know what [i]its[/i] true intentions or interests are - this is of course assuming that it is capable of having interests or intentions, another thing that we do not know at this time.
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2 RepliesEdited by GameNerd300: 3/3/2017 5:17:57 AMThe Traveler reminds me of the story of prometheus (not sure if I spelled that right) and how he stole fire from the gods and gave it to humanity. As punishment, he was chained to a rock and vultures ate at him every day. The traveler went around giving many civilizations golden ages of their own, but the darkness would constantly snuff those civilizations out as if they were not meant to have it in the first place. Sometimes I think the traveler isn't evil, but what if it came from a civilization that isn't for the advancement of any other civilization? What if the traveler is a Rouge agent of its kind? (especially since Xür said the traveler has a dark mirror) Forgive me if my lore is incorrect. Feel free to correct me.
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I highly doubt the traveler is evil, since that's what Destiny's original story line was going to entail before it got an entire narrative overhaul by Activison into what we have now. Given this info, I'd say it's pretty safe to assume the traveler has good intentions.
