I've listened to quite a few of these. You guys do a thorough job, and IronBill had a lot of nice points, kudos. Just wanted to throw my two cents at a couple things. The original Vex Mythoclast legit broke the game. I recall one match in particular. I was playing skirmish with two friends and our team of three got matched up against three randoms. One of the randoms had a Vex. This was obviously back in the early stages of the game when seeing a Vex was uncommon. I remember my team and I were playing a lot of crucible back then, I still do today. Anyways, it wasn't just that the Vex was strong, it was overwhelmingly dominant. You could maybe get off two hand cannon shots before being melted by the Vex. My team ended up just barely winning the match, but it was only because we could team-shoot the Vex and his teammates were trash. My point: certain weapons are strong today and can almost always win in a one v. one scenario, but the old school Vex could almost take out an entire team of three by itself. When Red Wing said that all weapons should be relegated to a vanilla status and pretty much be identical I couldn't have disagreed more. People play this game for different reasons. Red Wing plays for certain armor drops and her quest for tier 12. I did the same until I got there. I also play for loot drops. Getting different weapons in Destiny is one of the reasons I continue to play. Diminishing that aspect and taking away what makes weapons fun to use in general would make me put this game down for good. It already lacks variety and the loot system is beyond terrible, but that's a different discussion all together. I do realize that everyone is entitled the their opinion, but when hamstercat said that we should learn to accept Destiny as it's presented to us I literally laughed out loud, ha. Bungie has strived for a community-first game, and desires to showcase all of our accomplishments in their weekly tributes. They've given us a voice and have made us a large part of this game. By making us such a focal point, we all wish for Destiny to be better than what it is. Standing idly by and watching Destiny devolve from something so many of us loved just isn't in the cards. We care too much because Bungie has continually encouraged us to, and this has resulted in harsh criticism at the way Bungie has more or less neglected this game for so long. Accepting some of the mistakes that continue to plague this game just isn't possible anymore. We know how much fun Destiny can be and want to see it get there again. And, at this point, if by some miracle a majority of us continue on to Destiny 2 we refuse to allow Bungie to get away with making the same mistakes in the next installment as they did with the first. We want better things from this game and Bungie has encouraged us to not only seek it but expect it. Accepting mediocrity is not an option.

We all know the gasp was going to get nerf especially how cause of modded controllers being able to fire it like a dot what surprised me the most was no nerf to fusion grenades so those are still going to be used above all the other grenades. The hand cannon one has me worried cause now we might see snipe body shots and when one tap with a hand cannon from the same distance. Does kind of piss me off sniper in my view still needs a scope time nerf and a sway nerf put in if your going to make shot guns a stand and deliver gun you might as well make sniper and camp and deliver gun too I mean it's unfair that they can move like that while in scope and no penalty even when going up and down stairs. Although I like that idea redwing I think they could of done it a better way rather than just changing the whole game every 6 months like perhaps giving us a bounty where we if to get 100 pulse rife kills, 50 sidearm kills, and 25 sleeper slimitant kills in a week would probably be change enough. They act like they want balance and they try to achieve it when why do they go and throw it out the window after 6 months makes no sense to me but hey perhaps it makes sense to them. personally I been noticing stats don't make a difference even if you have perks to increase the range on your pulse rife or the stability on your auto rife it does not make that much of a difference and it should I mean what the point of having stats if the gun is still as easy to control with out them or still has the same drop off without them take pulse rife for instance you can have 1 cm of range still has the same drop off as one with 3 cm of range now that just tells me that there something that is wrong and needs fixing cause why would you go out and grind for a better one if that one is just as good as any other it makes it pointless in a game which wants you to go out and grind every week cause that's why they took out reforge although this does allow me to use any handcannon I want again and not if to worry about ghost bullets just cause I only have 1 cm of range on my gun and not 3 which again make no sense before we had a reason to grind for ensluna with rifed barrel now we don't if to care about that and it just makes no sense to go and throw that reason to grind out the window you might as well just bring back reforge. The new one where death means you lose your speaical seems kind of hard cause their will be no more self res shotgun and seems like a penalty to people who get killed a lot I'm just going to go around fusion grenade everyone instead of shotguning them just get 70 kills in a match using fusion grenades that next target for me lol but they have not thought this out what they should of done is lower the cap in pvp to 6 bullets only and once you come across a box it only gives you 2 in pvp this might of stopped people constantly going around with special but doing this is unfair to all those people who die cause now we won't be able to take down supers and it makes it harder we will see a lot of people using icebreaker and ineffective just cause of this and it's a shame that they choose to do this and not being out a 200 kills with primary bountie just to get a lengendry each day which is what I would of done in the first place. It's funny that they nerf blade dancer like that yet leave storm caller armour the same I mean come on there has been times when I've thrown everything including two stickies at them and there still alive and yet they choose to nerf blade dancer even though they if to be close to use if not 40 foot away like storm callers good to know I can still go on a game changing 8 kill streak with my stormcaller but not able to do that on anything else One thing I love about the posts this week is the get the top 1 % to give you help on the patch they would do it better than them and the answer is bungie would never do that cause that is admitting that just cause their the top 1 % they are better than making a patch than the people who have been making patches and bungie would never pay people to make a patch who do not work for them it would be like asking dice to make a patch for them. Plus their all ego people the top 1 % who would make a game better for them their probably unnerf sniper make scope time less allowing one shot kill on all snipers and that would totally mess it or for the casual players and at the end of the day bungie would rather lose a 1% players than risk losing all the rest just cause the game is not for them any more. I totally agree with you on that about people who say these people who did the patch can't play. Although halo 5 maybe consider the best pvp I agree it's like comparing Apple to oranges we have all this great stuff and yet they choose to achieve balance thats I have this thing about balence in the subclasses is why brother trying to achieve balence when there is no such thing as balence in life. Life is unfair to some so why should a game be fair take dark souls for example they don't care that 65% of people don't have the skill to play there game they don't care that only 25% in the world have the skill to compete their game and they are loved for it so all this balence between the subclass for pvp I say throw it out the window now balence for grenades and guns I say keep on missing with it we need balence in them so called me out on that but I put my foot down and stand my ground. The sunbreaker needed to be nerfed you could throw rockets into it and he would still be alive and kicking you could throw nova bombs at it and he would survive it need the nerf now what they should of done was instead of kills giving 100% of your health back and allowing it to fill the health bar meter to say that's 100% was wrong way of putting it in they should of done each kill gives you 250 health back out of your 500 health total so that if the game glitches you don't continue to regain health which is the problem with Ampuichewed on striker Titan regain your health when you melee kill someone so changing bladedancer so it works like that I can see a point but not changing ampututie as well I don't see the point so both should be change or not change at all plus hunter's have always been at a disadvantage cause no heavy ammo on exotic chest plates. I do agree that when too came out the whole form changed for the worst and these last two years there's been a dourght of stuff to do between January and April which should never of happened they needed to keep people playing hopefully d2 sorts that out I agree what is so hard about updating the light level behind these raids but redwing has told me why they didn't brother before was cause they want people to do the latest raid is a shame that only 25 of the people who own roi have done the raid the hardest thing I ground was taking down the ocales and using the relic cause only like 2 knew how to use the relic and it would never teleport those people so we would if to wipe again and I kind of miss that plus vog on PS4 looks awesome. My most bad arss moment was doing flawless raid on crota I already have it but my clan mates needed the trophy they were like well no one can do the lamps I said I can do the lamps easy I'm worry about the bridge they when asked me how I said I got a new thing which I haven't tried I'm going to do it on sunbreaker Titan with Mida they like nah do in blade dancer and I never nope I'm doing it sun breaker and I did it and all long my clan were saying stuff like he's not going to it we will hear a guardian down soon and they didn't hear it we when did the bridge legit and when I took the sword and they said no way you can't sword on Titan I said have done before and I'll do it again although this took a few tries of me not being greedy I did on the third try even though each time I needed to run the lamps again solo I did it each time without dieing and when I took down cotra I felt bad arss and here there playstation thropy achieve through the mic was great and I did it on Titan. But last iron banner doing a game changing 8 kill streak on storm caller where I supered and cause I killed everyone we won the match also felt great. Favourite moment of the week a raid run where aksis glitched and did a slam in front mid just after the damage step killing two people and competely ruined our raid attempt so thanks bungie for that reusing a spider tank for aksis was a bad idea cause he still has moves.

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This topic has is a mixed bag of thoughts for me. I do not like that PVP balance decisions and changes have negatively affected PVE for sure. But I also understand Bungie's goal of keeping a unified sandbox which is really one of the unique things that defines the game and keeps me playing. Changes to sniper ammo really affected raid experiences negatively so I would prefer a situation where some changes are just PVP only. They have already shown they can do this as demonstrated with the PVE damage boost to shotguns and pulse rifles. In terms of balance regarding how many shots kill a guardian vs a yellow bar minion of the darkness (mentioned in the podcast)....I do not see a problem with that as this is taken care of in the lore of the game and we need to keep in mind the interaction of light against the darkness. More directly though, power level does come into play and it works the same way in PVP as it does in PVE. "Destiny is not defined by buffs and nerfs......It is defined by me and you and how we decide to play the game" Anyway. just keeping it short... (I think). Loved the podcast by the way.

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I will say this. Bungie has shown in the past several times that they can in fact separate the weapon/ class balancing in June when they vastly increased Super damage for the better in PvE as well as the shotgun buff back in yr I. Because of this I'm honestly not sure why they don't continue to do this, if it's just them being lazy. Because Thorn worked really really well back before the April update and they nerfed it again. Sure it's still effective but it could be a lot better for PvE play. So frankly I'm not sure why they do this and start mixing in all nerfs and stuff that are made for PvP into PvE. Like that sniper flinch is still ridiculous. Trying to hit a boss with my Black Spindle and it's really hard to land shots. But that's just my two bits on the matter.