They think there's too many mechanics. Personally I love kings fall. The weapons overall are decent (there is also the anguish of drystan auto, but it's so bad it can't be considered a weapon), I think the cocoon perk is one of the best perks in the game. I still frequently use the heavy's and the sniper, both in pve (including the current raid) and pvp. I think the armor is great. The ship is the best raid ship, ascendent plane shader is in my top 10. Crota's end strike is kinda annoying. I hate the vault of glass armor, though I main/only care about my titan, so maybe the warlock/hunter armor is better. Wrath of the machine is only alright because of the siege engine part, otherwise I think the raid is good. The weapons are reskins w/unique perks. I only like the auto, and kinda the scout and sniper. Better raid exotic than kings fall. Armor is plain. I know when a raid is based off a machine, there isn't much they could do creatively, but the previous raid armor all had character. But this is all just my opinion. I'm only doing the VoG and Crota for the weapons and titan armor, just to have.