why can't that be a thing? I mean pvpers are elitist about their pvp kd, so it's fair that pver's do it over pve kd. [i]but pve is sooo easy compared to pvp[/i] for some sure. but i keep reading "pvp is so easy" threads, on top of that both pve and pvp stats can be farmed. pvp you just join on a lower friend and pubstomp. pve you do patrol/ take longer on strikes to kill patrol enimies. on top of that why can pvp players say "oh my pve kd is low because I like to mess around" but then look down on lower pvp kds for saying the same? hell most people agree if you don't play the meta your at a disadvantage and most people who either have bad luck or just joined are gonna get destroyed and have their kd ruined right from the get go. Then get looked down on for their kd. teleporting red bars, weaker primaries, bad match making all that gets ignored to show how superior some one is. for the record I'm sure I'm a below 1 kd. I played pvp when thorn, tlw, spear, max shotguns were the meta. I got destroyed over and over because I didn't have those guns. my kd is better than what it would have been if I didn't get the red death near the end. in pve your gonna run into kill hogs who can run the strike with their eyes closed, or patrol farmers who start a strike only to sit back and get easy kills. and even speed runners who just want the boss rewards. why should those be looked down on but crucible be upheld? do I blame meta users? no. whether it's pve or pvp I'm here to play and have fun. not measure my self worth against a set of numbers.