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originally posted in:The Ashen Conflux
Edited by Zawackiest: 10/23/2016 3:37:21 AM
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The Identity of Dredgen Yor

So, there has been a lot of controversy around the class of Dredgen Yor before he was corrupted. I hope to clear some of that confusion up with this post. First of all, anyone who knows who Dredgen Yor is can skip this part. The man who will become Dredgen Yor was an extremely powerful guardian who ruled the crucible with his hand cannon, named the Rose. On a mission in the Hellmouth, this man met Xyor the Unwed, who corrupted the man. The man renamed himself Dredgen Yor, meaning “The Eternal Abyss”, and then went on a kill spree with his Thorn, while killing the hunter, Pahanin and taking his cloak. Now, this is another point of controversy. Some people believe that Dredgen’s hand cannon physically changed when he was corrupted, and others believe that his perspective of the gun changed, hence the names Rose and Thorn. Now, there is no confirmed answer as to what Dredgen Yor’s identity really is, but there is evidence that Dredgen Yor could have been any of the three classes. Let’s start with the evidence that he was a hunter. Now, from the images on the Ghost Fragment: Thorn grimoire cards, and the hunter cloak, Cloak of Dredgen Yor, it is practically confirmed that Dredgen Yor wore a cloak, regardless of the class he was. The evidence that supports that he was a hunter is the fact that he wore a cloak in the first place, the Cloak of Dredgen Yor as a hunter cloak and the hunter artifact, Dredgen Yor’s Rose. These in-game items are the evidence that supports that Dredgen Yor was a hunter. Now for the warlocks. There isn’t much evidence that supports that he was a warlock, but I have gathered what I could, and here it is. The only evidence that supports that he was a warlock is again, the images for the the Ghost Fragment: Thorn cards. You can clearly see that he is a warlock wearing a hunter cloak. This segment was very short, but the next section will be longer for sure. Lastly, the most sound theory of them all, the fact that he was the titan, Rezyl Azzir. For those who don’t know, Rezyl Azzir was an extremely powerful titan that is credited with being one of the first ever guardians. The main source of evidence for this is the Legends and Mysteries: Rezyl Azzir card, which I will put below: [spoiler]Something in Rezyl was telling him he shouldn't be here. Something deep. Something resembling fear. He knelt, examining the dust-covered pile at his feet. “The skulls had been discarded with little care some time ago – decades, maybe longer. The doors carved into the rock face were arcane – dark, gothic... other... and large. The jagged finery of their archway spoke to an artistry that only served to strengthen the sinking feeling in his gut. Rezyl had come to Luna in search of nightmares, and after his long journey—from the growing City beneath the Traveler to the ends of the Earth and beyond—he found himself face-to-face with the remnants of stories he'd hoped were nothing but lies. He stood, a large man made small against the massive, looming doorway. The knot in his stomach was telling him to turn back. Instead, he moved forward, toward the doors; sealed, as they were, for ages untold. After only a few steps, a shrill, heavy scraping cut the air. The massive doors were opening. Rezyl steadied his rifle as a lone shape, floating just above the ground, appeared from the deep black beyond the threshold. The figure in the doorway—a dark, ethereal woman cloaked in tattered ceremony and armored with ornate bone—danced in the air. Rezyl and the demon woman held their ground, contemplating one another. With no warning the silent intimacy of the moment was broken by a booming, angry call from deep within the doorway. The sound, thick and pained, echoed across the narrow valley then fell silent. After a beat that felt like eternity, the figure backed away into the dark. The doors remained wide – an invitation or a dare, Rezyl did not know. Nor did he care. The mighty Titan took steps forward. “Uhhhh... I’m not sure this is a good idea,” his Ghost’s concern was impossible to mistake. “Not sure that matters.” “We’ve come. We’ve seen. Maybe the best course here is to warn others. Gather an army.” “Maybe.” “I’m just saying... It’s possible you can’t handle whatever it is we’ve upset here.” “We’ve woken nightmares.” Rezyl’s attention was singular; focused intently on the dark beyond the threshold. “The Hive were supposed to be gone.” The Ghost mulled the full consequence of this mistaken belief. “They’ve been silent for—” “They’re not silent anymore.” “That scream? These doors? They’re best left alone.” “I can’t do that.” Rezyl continued forward. Toward the dark. Toward the unknown. “Stay here.” “Excuse me?” “Get distance. We don’t know what this is... what’s coming. Can’t risk you too close to an unknown.” “And if you fall where I can’t find you?” “If I fall... If I don’t return. Run. Tell the others. Warn them all... There are worse things than pirates.” Rezyl steadied his rifle and stepped into the dark, as his Ghost lingered. —- Hours passed. More? Time was lost in this place, and with it any remembrance of hope... of promise... of purpose in the longing for a brighter tomorrow. Down amongst the shadows there were no tomorrows. Down in the abyss there was no hope. Rezyl’s footfalls echoed; lonely, measured steps with no guarantee of purchase. At any moment the world could fall away and he would be lost – the forgotten hero who foolishly sought nightmares. Then, a presence. Sweeping and dream-like. Rezyl leveled his rifle. He could sense the witch, but found it impossible to track her in the dark. Rezyl opened fire. Short, focused bursts to light the ebony corridor. The demon witch circled just beyond the reach of each burst’s glow. Rezyl kept firing, using the short flickers of light to gain bearing. The witch laughed and a thick black cloud engulfed Rezyl. The Titan kept firing but his movements were restricted. The cloud confined him, caged him. He could hear her moving just beyond his sight as her laughter rose in pitch, cutting into Rezyl’s mind and soul like a tempered blade. Rezyl flinched as the wicked woman began to speak in a tongue that resembled torture more than language. The pain was searing, complete. The demon approached the writhing hero. As she spoke her violent words began to take shape, morphing from syllables of death to a known offering of haunted human languages. The demon woman leaned in close... and whispered, intimately. Rezyl’s ears bled as she spoke. "I am the end of 'morrows. Xyor, the Blessed. Xyor, the Betrothed. I am of the coming storm. These are not my words, but prophesy. Your Light will one day shatter and die. For now it simply offends... And you, dear, sweet, fragile thing, shall be made to suffer for your transgressions upon this holy ground." As the witch fell silent, her hateful voice was replaced by a growing chorus of hungry, manic chittering and the rising thunder of an approaching flood. Rezyl had come looking for the terrors that hide just beyond the light. He found them. Or, maybe... ...they found him.”[/spoiler] If you do not know, in the year one Thorn Exotic Bounty, the last step was to do the Phogoth strike on hard difficulty, and kill the wizard, Xyor the Unwed, at the very end. Now this Xyor the Unwed is the same Xyor as the one in the grimoire card. This card also tells that Xyor corrupted Rezyl, forecasting that his light will become tainted and die, exactly like Dredgen Yor’s did. In conclusion, Rezyl Azzir and Dredgen Yor both met Xyor the Unwed, who forecasted their light would be corrupted. I hope this post clears up the identity of Dredgen Yor, at least a little bit. Grimoire Cards/Items Referenced: [spoiler]The Cauldron: http://www.ishtar-collective.net/cards/ghost-fragment-the-cauldron?highlight=Dredgen+Yor+warlock Blind Watch: http://www.ishtar-collective.net/cards/ghost-fragment-blind-watch?highlight=Dredgen+Yor+warlock Legends and Mysteries: Rezyl Azzir: http://www.ishtar-collective.net/cards/legends-and-mysteries-rezyl-azzir?highlight=Rezyl+azzir Ghost Fragment: Thorn: http://www.ishtar-collective.net/cards/ghost-fragment-thorn?highlight=Thorn Ghost Fragment: Thorn 2: http://www.ishtar-collective.net/cards/ghost-fragment-thorn-2?highlight=Thorn Ghost Fragment: Thorn 3: http://www.ishtar-collective.net/cards/ghost-fragment-thorn-3?highlight=Thorn Ghost Fragment: Thorn 4: http://www.ishtar-collective.net/cards/ghost-fragment-thorn-4?highlight=Thorn Cloak of Dredgen Yor: http://www.ishtar-collective.net/items/cloak-of-dredgen-yor-2?highlight=Dredgen+Yor Dredgen Yor's Rose: http://www.ishtar-collective.net/items/dredgen-yors-rose?highlight=Dredgen+Yor [/spoiler]
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  • Edited by exalted_lemonade: 10/24/2016 10:27:09 AM
    Just no. The grimoire regarding the Titan (I'm not spelling his name too much frustration) is vague and unclear. Also the timeline is wrong in regards to Yor's actions. Titan dude (that's what I'm calling him) existed before and during the building of the city, and dies early city age. Yor was around after the city was built and after the crucible was formed. If you know anything then you should have realized that the crucible was created after twilight gap by shaxx (two x's?). Yor was around after twilight gap and Titan dude died around six fronts. With the time line cleared up you still have misinformation. The thorn card depicts a warlock holding the gun in an upright position, he has no cloak it's just a warlock. Also you missed the warlock figure that is sold in the Bungie store that had thorn as its exotic. For hunters they have the general idea of hunters with hand cannons, Yor's cloak, and the artifact. Titan evidence- a card that had a SIMILAR name but wrong timeline. Warlock evidence- 1) grimoire card depicts warlock 2) action figure has thorn as exotic 3) (not mentioned above) warlocks are known for turning away from the light. Hunter evidence- 1)hunters with hand cannons is a staple of the class 2) Yor's cloak that says he killed phanin (VoG dude) but nothing about taking it from him 3) Yor's rose that is an artifact for hunters. P.S. I know some artifacts are of other classes but with the presented evidence I highly doubt this is the case. Edit- pulling borderline nonexistent strings to create a new theory is not how theories should be made. I'm basing my theory (which has stood since day one) off of solid evidence and not vague references. Directly on the grimoire card itself is a warlock, and to disregard the original source material would be ridiculous. I personally vouch for him (Yor) being a warlock. Also Titan dude (still calling him that) has multiple suicide like missions before the walls even came up. This is why he is a legend like the iron lords (who almost all died expect for two) and the risin who where precursors to the guardians. Being a legend means you've died a heroic death worth being re-told. nobody is a living legend and stays that way for long, especially in war. With nothing but vague references (which could be a prophecy talking about his death and not him turning away from the light) there is nothing to stand on when the source material and in-game content point in every other direction. P.S 2.0- i'd like to mention that the story started off strong but as the game changed writers it got too convoluted. When I think of this tale I think of the source material and not of in-game or added content. To me the story resides in the grimoire cards titled thorn, and not these newly added ideas of multiple Yor's. This is all my interpretation of the grimoire and how I perceive this game. I just wish more things where spelled out so we're not left to bicker amongst our selfs.

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