Is the range. There is absolutly no reason at comfertible sniper ranges they should melt you faster then a scout can kill. Even mida, hitting all crits is being out powered by a grasp and hawk saw at very long ranges. [spoiler]lets be honest the hawk saw should not take the same number of bursts as a red death to kill.[/spoiler] They in particular just need a rework. Nothing drastic. Just an even playing field. In my opinion they need a closer dmg fall off. Thats about it for me. Although theyre dmg should be lowered very very slightly even by 1 point of crit dmg to be even with other primarys. Idk im not a game designer.