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The identity of the Exo Stranger is......

Chioma Esi, Ishtar scientist. Her lover, Maya Sundaresh, is generally the most popular candidate but I believe is incorrect. And I’ll explain why. But for those not familiar with the concept of why Maya could be the exo stranger, I’ll show the logic on why both her and Chioma are the likely candidates, then explain why Chioma is the more likely of the two. “I was not forged in light”. Right from the in game cut scene. The exo stranger is not a guardian, so that eliminates the candidate pool pretty heavily. We also know that Exos were once humans, and it is reasonable to conclude that female exos were female humans, and male exos were male humans. Cayde was a human male before becoming an exo. So we are looking for human females, which narrows the list further. Next step, from Rasputin 4. Now I am 100% sure this card is a conversation between our friendly neighborhood warmind, Rasputin, and our topic of discussion, the Exo Stranger. From that card, a few key words: “…and you’re certainly not MINE, although once you must have been…” So what Rasputin is saying here, is that he did not play a role in the exo stranger’s creation as a time traveler. But the “once you must have been” statement indicates Rasputin’s role in the creation of the exos. So he is basically saying, I helped create the Exos, but you are something different that I wasn’t a part of. There is something else he means by “not MINE”. Rasputin assumed control of the Exo’s before the collapse, so in order for the Exo stranger to exist as an Exo, but not be Rasputin’s pin points a time frame in the Golden Age in which the exo stranger must have been created not only as an exo, but also have her time traveling abilities. The Exo Stranger existed before the collapse. So human female from the golden age is where we look. Maya and Chioma are among the few known characters that meet that requirement (General Chen Lanshu is another, Old Russia 3, but it can’t be her because Rasputin had already taken control of the Exos by that point). Both were heavily involved in the golden age Vex research on alternate timelines/realities, so that uniquely positions them as being intimately familiar with the very thing the Exo Stranger can do: time travel. They were the ones who uploaded 227 copies of themselves into the Vex network (along with two other scientists). And we know from Cayde’s journal, that in his early days as an Exo, he knew Maya, so she was aware of the Exos. Maya was doing research on the Device, which is the one that lets people view other timelines. So female, check. Golden age, check. Familiar with Exos, check. Timeline researcher, check. And at the end of the Vex 5 card, Maya personally enters the Device. She makes a lot of sense. Except she is not the Exo Stranger. She is not because: 1) She wasn’t an exo when she entered the device. 2) The device doesn’t allow time travel, just allows people to view other timelines. So why does Chioma make more sense? Read the first few lines of Vex 5, Maya was sending her log notes to Chioma. So reading those notes, Chioma would have known that Maya put herself in the machine and that it probably killed her. And that the reason Maya entered the device was she was looking for one of those 227 copies of Chioma in another timeline out of loneliness, since they had been apart so long. Also, Chioma is noted as working on another project, somewhere far away, called Hyperion. There is no discussion anywhere in grimoire about what the Hyperion project is. But we know Bungie likes easter eggs, and Hyperion is a popular sci fi novel about….. Time travel. Possibly? So Chioma, upon finding out that her lover, her wife actually, entered the device looking for her, would be uniquely positioned with the technology (Hyperion if my speculation is correct), the motivation (find her wife), and the equipment (Exo technology) to fix it. What I think happened is Chioma in finding out Maya was gone, took on an Exo form (recognizing from her previous Vex research and from Maya’s logs, that the human mind was too weak to survive the time travel) and used her Hyperion project to go find Maya in time. I made another post about the Exo Stranger 2 card. One thing that is interesting about that card that I didn’t touch on in that post, is that the tone of all the journal entries isn’t “I’m a badass, veteran, time traveling warrior here to push back the darkness”, which is the way she comes across in the in game cut scenes. The entries are like she is just coming to learn about the darkness, the Hive, the Vex, and how they all inter relate. As if that is not the reason why she was traveling through time, but more like something she started to discover [i] after[/i] she started traveling through time. I think it is because fighting the darkness is not the original purpose of the Exo Stranger. It was originally because she was looking for Maya. Now for some true speculation on my part. I think as Chioma sought out Maya, she started to experience what the people who entered the device saw: everything ending in darkness. In time, her purpose changed. I think it changed because she encountered someone else who was very interested in the Vex and the darkness, Osiris. I think they allied together and are still working on stopping the darkness. I do think Chioma found Maya by the way. Maybe one of the 227 Chioma’s had met one of the 227 Mayas, and the Exo Stranger Chioma let them be and answered the higher purpose (fighting the darkness). Or maybe since the darkness always won, Chioma realized she had to stop the darkness to save Maya. Regardless, this is why I believe Chioma is the exo stranger. She meets the grimoire requirements and has the motivation. And lastly, her personality seems to fit better too. Maya seemed too…timid. But as they say in Vex 4, as the escaped the Vex simulation, Chioma is the leader.
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  • Who cares. You won't see her again anyway

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  • What if the Stranger is "The Darkness" version of the Speaker? I seriously think there was a laid out plan and story but it got thrown out and now there is no set plan. Just take it one year at a time. Bungie will use last 2-3 years to wrap things up.

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  • Edited by Pahanin: 9/15/2016 5:26:19 AM
    So the Traveller is going to become Helios Moonbase... But the Exo Stranger must be Loaderbot question is why isn't the Stranger wielding a Conference Call?? Da faq, PLOT HOLE ANTHONY BIRCH Y U DO DIS?? .-. Edit: Maya will be fine she's a kickass Siren and if she's Bee-Hawking with a Ledendary Cat Class Mod, god help her foes...

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    • [spoiler]JOHN CE.... never mind... whatever... 💪😒[/spoiler]

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    • Came expecting John Cena meme, left pleasently surprised. Good theory OP.

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    • Hey there guardians! I hate to say this but im fresh outa trespassers. I'll be getting a new shipment on Sep. 20. See you then!

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      • Well if bungie like your theory and thinks it makes a good story then this is what it will be. As we know by now when more grim gets released its info we made up for them. The stuff we don't know yet as fact isn't even written, and will be when bungie gets enough ideas from us. This is why the basic grim is vague, it makes it easy to add story

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        • TL;DR

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        • The identity of the stranger is the mother of all hunters....Richard Simmons.

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          • The Exo Stranger is Claptrap. The reference to Hyperion says so.

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          • Maggie. She likes to kill zombies!

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            • Mind BLOWN! Well done!

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            • Well my theory on no time to explain. The Exo stranger is now a being that exists outside the realm of normal time. Just like the vex. Not in the same realm as the vex, but similar. If we know one thing for sure the Exo stranger is working to stop the Vex. A being that exists outside the realm of normal time is a non-linear being. Listen to Ikora's into to the undying mind strike about one moment death and the next birth, you'll get the idea. Why does she have not have time to explain why she has no time to explain? Time travel. Ok, so when a non-linear being enters the normal time stream (Destiny game world), they are bound to the laws and physics of our world. Meaning, while you can use technology to teleport, you can't stop or go back in time while you are here. If you want to go back in time, you have to exit normal time, and re-enter. Ok, almost there. When you go back in time, your in time for as long as you were in time for. Meaning if the Exo stranger came back into time for 3 days, she's here for 3 days. She can't extend her stay to 4 days, or even 3 days and 1 second. She must enter and exit time at the same time she always does. If she doesn't, it creates a space time paradox and can destroy the time line. Even the Vex know this. The flip side is she can always come back to the same point in time for the same 3 days. When she's here she can do what ever she wants (assuming it doesn't crate a space time paradox). Kind of like the movie ground hog day, except the Exo stranger can leave the time loop and go elsewhere whenever she wants. Ok, so the Exo stranger went back in time (or more appropriately) entered normal time on Earth. Presumably she was either looking for something, or trying to re-write history. I don't know what she was doing on Earth, but I think I know what she was doing on the moon and Venus. During her trip to Earth, she notice a Guardian killed an Archon, but she didn't have time to contact them. Maybe because her time was up. During her trip to the moon she noticed us and sent us the co-ordinates for Venus. Here is where it comes together. In the normal time stream the Exo stranger is always going to be on Venus when we arrive on Venus. So all the Exo stranger has to do, is the next time she enters normal time on Venus and meet with us instead of doing whatever is was she was doing. She has no time to explain this, and is on the clock so she must get to where ever she supposed to be to exit normal time before her time is up. Once the stranger meets with us, this sets a major even in the time stream and if she alters it, will create a space time paradox. So, now when she returns to our time, she must meet with us. The other reason she has no time is because she is creating a major even in the time stream. If the Vex detect it, they will counter time travel to stop the event. Ok, that was long. So what was the Exo stranger doing on the moon and Venus? Looking for warriors. She heard of Eris's failed mission and was looking for Someone Eris believe's dead. Venus Prydeth and Kbar's fire team. Why look for dead people. Because nobody looks for dead people. If they are supposed to be dead, you can transport them 1000 years into the future and not affect the time stream Why warriors? To fight the Ve . I suspect the Exo stranger's group is made up of Guardian's whom are supposed to be dead because as long as they are outside of the normal time stream where someone might recognize them, they can't create a Paradox.

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              • Either Hillary or one of the Kardashian sisters.

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              • now i saw a theory that maya became the awoken queen (and before people say that she would die of old age bear in mind that it is never explicitly stated how old awoken can live up to and keep in mind that she was queen during the battle of the twilight gap and that i believe was supposed to be up to 30 years before the events of destiny and she still looks to be in her 20s so either awoken live a really long time or the queen has some top quality moisturiser) by using what she learnt from the machine to foresee events and prepare for them for example, she sees all the different instances when the house of wolves enters the solar system, so she see what happens if the awoken do nothing (city destroyed and eventually the reef) and for the instances where they did fight the wolves she used the strategies from the instances where they won over the wolves to defeat the wolves in the instance where she exists, it is likely the same with oryx as she seemed to be prepared to fail in destroying the dreadnought but it is heavily implied that she has survived somehow and it is likely the fact that she knew what to do to ensure her survival that made her take the risk of attacking the dreadnought.

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                • Whether its Maya or Chioma she's still a time traveller lesbian warrior and as long as that bit is true I'll be pleased

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                  • Jane Goodall the ape woman (forgot what ologist that falls under, lol).

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                  • I'm thinking that the stranger was a exo rebuilt by the future war cult as posted in future war cults ghost fragment...also I think she's talking to preydth when she meets the guardians...jus a theory

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                    • We're is the evidence that they were lovers?

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                      • The identity of the exo stranger is... [spoiler]John Cena!!![/spoiler]

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                      • JOHN CENA!!!!!! (insert John Cena theme song here)

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                      • ...I clicked on this forum expecting that it would have a youtube link saying it's JOHN CENA. *sigh* nvm...dicks out, harambe...dicks out.

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                      • That's some good theory right there.

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                      • JOHN CENA!!!!!

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                      • I fear that the whole stranger part of the story has been completely forgotten by Bungie, she's just another loose end that will never be tied up. Great post btw.

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                        • During vex 5 Sunderash goes in and comes out basically fine so..... Im sticking with maya as the stranger. But that's just me

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