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Edited by PoundLovesYou:
8/31/2016 1:27:28 PM
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A bad PvPer's experience/take on SBMM - the built in system meant to help players like me...
[i]UPDATE: I just want to thank everyone for contributing to this conversation and for sharing their own experiences and knowledge. I have learned a ton already, and am glad that our community can have constructive, open conversations like this. I just want to say that I am doing my best to keep up with replies; however, I am in very poor health and it is very hard to maintain the pace that this conversation has. Please know that I will read everything as quickly as I can, but I encourage all of you to continue sharing and offering input actively, as it is truly a great thing for us to come together and talk about the game we love and dedicate much of our time and energy to. Thank you all.[/i]
I don't really know why I am posting this, but after three games today with a k/d of below 0.30, I have lost all shame and dignity.
A lot of people think that SBMM (skill-based matchmaking) only hurts the most talented players, as it pits them against other very skilled players, making every match a chore and ultra "sweaty."
BUT...
I am a lower-skilled PvP player, and I have come to realize that SBMM is really hurting my Destiny experience as well. The thing is, my best friends are all quite skilled in the Crucible, so, it hit me today in a bout of loneliness that I was avoiding my friends, because:
If I play with a group of my friends, their great stats are a major matchmaking factor used when finding opponents for us to play against. That said, playing with my very best friends ultimately means a few things:
I will get destroyed. (And) We are likely to lose when I go 2 and 15 and single-handedly cost my team of friends the game.
So, as a result, i have been avoiding doing my favorite thing--playing Destiny PvP--with my very closest friends, which SUCKS.
This is hopefully a little food for thought for those in support of SBMM to unsuccessfully make playing crucible as a lesser-skilled player more enjoyable (i.e. easier).
Sorry for the lengthiness.
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24 RepliesEdited by cellar dweller: 8/31/2016 11:56:59 AMi have been with bungie since LAN competitions in halo 1 and most likely will end things with bungie after rise of iron. i have played destiny since the beta and i do love this game despite its faults but i was dissapointed they chose to include custom games over fixing the ever worsening connection issues we've been having as far back as at least halo 2 and it never seems to be an issue they address. i pay 200 dollars a month for verizon fios quantum 300/300, when i play my xbox is the only device i have using the internet, i dont stream and i dont ever use wi-fi so i have perfect connection and super good internet yet bungie is a constant hit or miss game to game for myself and anyone i ever speak to. many of my friends and i are normally easily 2.0 k/d players yet this game between lag, and getting put in games where you are already losing by half the score to have to try to turn it around, people telporting, shots not registering, ect are reasons why we can't take the pvp seriously. you can go from a 5.0 to 10.0 k/d one game to a .30 the next which is very annoying, and it isn't because you are getting better opponents or somehow the way you play magically changed from the game you just played. bungie will tell you it isnt on their side, try resetting your console, go play with your router, whatever they can think of but it does not improve. i wouldn't mind playing the same 10 people in my home town everyday if it meant i could get some kind of stable matchmaking. loving the game, all we can do is continue to play for what enjoyment we can get from it
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I don't know if they still do the SBMM or if it's as prevalent as it was before. I play a few matches and get under 1.0 KD. Go to orbit and play against a different group and get a 1.5 KD. So I'm not sure how they figure out the matchmaking. 90% of the time I'm going in solo.
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thats exactly how I feel. My sister is way more skilled at pvp, often on the top and I'm usually at the bottem. worst part is that she tends to screen shot her scores to share them and it makes me look like a total scrub
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1 ReplyGet gud
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Jup. The only ones that like SBMM are the thumbless loners that don't even play PvP that much to be padded at all.
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when my lower skilled friends are fireteam leader i find we get their lobbies and it's a pub stomp for me. only 3s are really that sweaty imo, 6s i see lots of diversity in skill and weapons used. in 6s I often use fusion rifles and auto rifles because I can do fine and have more fun than my regular setup
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i hope bungee sees this because it's the same situation as my wife. My wife loves playing pvp with me but i am more skilled that she is so she gets matched into games that are my skill level and makes her have to deal with hardcore players. She has an average. 6-.8 kd and mine averages 1.4-3 depending on the game types.
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Agreed
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What was wrong with year 1 matchmaking? I haven't enjoyed pvp since year 1 and as a result I have tried my hardest to avoid it. I try to only play to do Shax bounties and trying to get a gun to drop.
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I've been doing worst then I did in year one, no matter what class or weapon I use, I always have the least amount of kills and the most deaths out of the whole lobby, I can counter anybody no matter what perks I use. I really don't know what happened or why did I get so bad at pvp.
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I have a very mixed kd one game will be 3 another .4 but when playing with friends we always make the least skilled of us the leader. This seams to make the matches slightly easier.
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SBMM greatly hurts solo players that are inexperienced. It pairs them with 1 good player and another inexperienced player against a stacked team. The implementation is terrible.
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[quote][i]UPDATE: I just want to thank everyone for contributing to this conversation and for sharing their own experiences and knowledge. I have learned a ton already, and am glad that our community can have constructive, open conversations like this. I just want to say that I am doing my best to keep up with replies; however, I am in very poor health and it is very hard to maintain the pace that this conversation has. Please know that I will read everything as quickly as I can, but I encourage all of you to continue sharing and offering input actively, as it is truly a great thing for us to come together and talk about the game we love and dedicate much of our time and energy to. Thank you all.[/i] I don't really know why I am posting this, but after three games today with a k/d of below 0.30, I have lost all shame and dignity. A lot of people think that SBMM (skill-based matchmaking) only hurts the most talented players, as it pits them against other very skilled players, making every match a chore and ultra "sweaty." BUT... I am a lower-skilled PvP player, and I have come to realize that SBMM is really hurting my Destiny experience as well. The thing is, my best friends are all quite skilled in the Crucible, so, it hit me today in a bout of loneliness that I was avoiding my friends, because: If I play with a group of my friends, their great stats are a major matchmaking factor used when finding opponents for us to play against. That said, playing with my very best friends ultimately means a few things: I will get destroyed. (And) We are likely to lose when I go 2 and 15 and single-handedly cost my team of friends the game. So, as a result, i have been avoiding doing my favorite thing--playing Destiny PvP--with my very closest friends, which SUCKS. This is hopefully a little food for thought for those in support of SBMM to unsuccessfully make playing crucible as a lesser-skilled player more enjoyable (i.e. easier). Sorry for the lengthiness.[/quote] Playing with people who are better than you can really help your skill level
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This is a very difficult subject, needing a lot of thought and careful consideration. Unfortunately I don't think there is a simple solution. I'm interested to see how things unfold in the future but I wouldn't want to be Bungie when dealing with this topic.
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This is a great post and I hope Bungie pays some attention to it .
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You are soooo right about this, it goes both ways completely. It ruins it for everyone, unless you and your friends are all equally skilled. What I've come to accept is that I can't care wether we win or not when I'm playing with my friends.
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Only thing I like about SBMM is seeing my friends get wrecked by a lvl 5
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I still don't notice SBMM ever working. 90% of my matches are so unbalanced that I really feel like I'm just thrown into whatever is available.
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I realized that a long time ago and will not play PVP with my friends for this very reason.
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I don't really understand this. So if you go 7-10 and 8-10 a match, but when you play with friends it goes down by some kills and you got 4-10, is that really causing you to lose that many more games? It really easy to say it a huge difference and I'm sure it feels worse, but I'm wondering how big it actually is on average and not the few games where you did really bad. I'm also assuming the friends are 1 to 1.5 kd, good but not amazing Point is, with cbmm, I'm guessing you would still be going negative and hurting the score when playing with friends, just a [b]little[/b] more now with sbmm, but not a [b]lot[/b] more. Ps .. I'm not trying to sound mean here
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Yeah. <3
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I think that less people run in to this problem you describe of real life friends being far better. Most players have more online friends than real life. still, how would you propose to solve the problem of mismatched team skill in matchmaking?
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2 RepliesI've experienced the same thing. I got my wife hooked on playing PVP and she runs into the same problem. It's great if she wants to jump into matchmaking solo but it's not fun when it bumps up the skill level for us to play together. It would be nice if the game matched based on the lowest skilled player and not an average.
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Edited by KhalErik: 8/31/2016 7:26:57 PMDon't worry about it man, wins come and go but friends are forever. [spoiler]😭[/spoiler]
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5 RepliesTell your scrubby friends to carry you harder.
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2 RepliesI believe you get better by playing more skilled people. I have a friend who is horrible at pvp but she's gotten better because she always doing crucible with me. That being said she always goes against people my level ( I'm average with elo of 1700, and 1.3 kd) which makes her a better player with some coaching. So dont avoid playing with you're friends, unless you don't want to become a better player that is.
