Haha. Bungie and the NerfTrain riders have made them completely ineffective, even in the damn range they're supposed to be good. Unfortunately Bungie's idea of "weapon balance" is everyone in crucible using Scout(Mida)/Sniper,Pulse/Sniper, DoP style AR/Sniper. You can win in the short to medium range with a HC if you catch them from behind and pop them twice before they turn around or you're in inferno and they don't see you till it's too late. I use to love HC. LHF and Red Hand carried me through Vanilla, TDB and HoW but the nerfs they handed down to this class of weapon is just pathetic. TLW is actually the only HC I've seen do any good and by that I mean I've been killed by it a lot the last few days. Bungie needs to do a lot of things to make this game balanced. What they really should do is undo every damn nerf they've done except on thorn and TLW(screw them and the ppl who use em) and start everything back to Vanilla standards step away from their desks and let it ride for a few weeks and see what actually needs to be tweaked by the numbers not the whiny chumps who cry nerf every time they're killed.