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Edited by Fal Chavam:
8/17/2016 9:09:12 PM
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We did not kill Oryx.
You heard me right. You didn't kill Oryx.
Let's start off with a short and quick explanation of the sword logic. It's the way things become more powerful. Think of everyone as a blade, and if you were to kill someone, you become the shaper blade. With each kill you become a little more powerful. The more powerful the thing you kill, the more power you obtain from that kill.
It's kinda like XP in a way.
Now that that's out of the way,
back when Oryx first fell, and people gained an understanding the sword logic they couldn't help but wonder, "why did we not become gods. Oryx had such sword logic and we should have gain it from killing him. Why didn't we?"
The answer is simple and sweet. You shot the wrong guy.
When you "killed" Oryx in the physical world, you sent him back to his throne world. You then moved to kill him in his throne world to put and end to him once and for all. When you're fighting him he lets loose some of his sustaining food-light in a gamble. (We know these as the light-eater ogres that drop the blights.)
If we die, the gamble pays off. If we don't die and detonate the blights then he takes damage.
Once we detonate roughly 16 blights Oryx moves to the center for one final and desperate stand. He opens his chest to reveal his worm, so that the worm might directly eat you. In this moment the whole team unloads and then Oryx dies and float off towards Saturn.
Right?
Well, almost, but not quite.
As I mentioned, some people wondered why we didn't (apparently) gain Oryx's sword logic and become gods.
I believe the reason why this didn't happen is because we didn't kill Oryx.
[i]"But we shot at him and he died!"[/i]
Not wrong, but also not true.
Lads and lasses, you shot at his worm. When you killed Oryx, you didn't really kill him directly. In killing his worm you killed the very thing that made him so powerful. In those moments when he starts crystallising and lights up, I believe that's him having his very life essence being ripped away from him as he can't sustain his powerful state without his worm.
So to sum up, you killed his worm, not him. And because you did not kill the taken king directly, you did not obtain his sword logic.
Thank you for your time and I hope you enjoyed. Let me know what you think.
Edit: [b]to clarify, Oryx is still dead. We killed him indirectly and that's why we didn't become gods in that instant.[/b]
Edit: put the first edit in bold.
Edit: If you have a question I suggest you look down below because I've more than likely answered it or actively discussing it.
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We did kill him, but a sliver of his worm lives on in the touch of malice which was the pinnacle of his will if he should be defeated. He wanted the one strong enough to defeat him to still carry on his will, even if it was only in proxy.
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8 RepliesHive must be killed in their throne world. Oryx moved his throne world to the dreadnaught after crota opened a hole to some other dimension and vex poured into oryx throne world. Since his throne world is the dreadnaught and we killed him in the dreadnaught he is dead according to the destiny lore. This is why crota is dead because we killed him in his throne world. Seriously read the books of sorrow
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2 RepliesSword logic doesn't work like that buddy Might want to go over the books
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18 RepliesTechnically he will never die since there is a part of him in the Touch of Malice
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11 RepliesEdited by Stormhawk118: 8/18/2016 9:17:50 PMI think you need a worm to gain power from the sword logic, we couldnt benefit from it without one
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6 RepliesHe's dead, do you want to know why? [spoiler]bungie is not going to make another expansion about oryx[/spoiler]
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Well, we didn't [b]kill[/b] his worm. We simply prevented it from eating us. We would have gained some power if we killed it.
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Oryx lives in the ToM.
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U are right i didnt beat the kf raid yet
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1 ReplyEdited by Gideon VI: 8/19/2016 1:35:58 AMOryx is dead. Oryx records and leaves behind the Books of Sorrow, which details his origins and rise into the dark god he is. Oryx hopes that by understanding him and his life, and by taking the weapon he had left behind (Touch of Malice), that his killer will take the mantle Oryx for themselves. Thus his own killer is the only one who has the right to bear his name and title, and the name Oryx will live past the original Oryx. Therefore, the Guardian is Oryx now.
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1 ReplyYou see, this here is exactly what happens when we don't have Gjallarhorns to melt oryx and become gods. We get little pea-shooting Touches of Malice and tickle his worm (kek) until he dies.
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But didn't we infuse his worm heart into the touch of malice?
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Long live the king...
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So we commited involuntary manslaughter?
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I'm just going to say this to why we didn't become like oryx. We might not have been affected as much because we don't have a worm we gained some power but not all, also if you're talking about that "taking" thing Oryx gets that from the Deep and he/she wrote it on a tablet.
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4 RepliesYou're right I didn't kill him, never played the raid. Checkmate
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4 RepliesIs there not a Grimoire card where the speaker (the speaker in the card, not the Speaker in the Tower), presumably Toland, condemns the player for not ascending Oryx's throne? It seems to me that according to the strong loot I got from him and that card, the gameplay mechanics and lore entry suggest that the Sword Logic did apply to my Guardian when I slew the King. As to why I didn't ascend to Hive godhood, I can only presume that the Light is in contest with the Darkness, and the members of my Fireteam are not interested in what the Dark has to offer. Our gain in power is lessened, I think, because we do not subscribe to the same source of paracausal power, and the Guardians have no Worms to feed and strengthen according to the Logic.
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5 RepliesHe is dead. And I would be cool to see his body or something in further expansion
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We chose not to be gods and take his power. If you read the King's Fall grimoire card this becomes apparent. Toland, who has a very large understanding of the hive, is furious with us not taking Oryx's power. His worm lives in on through the Touch of Malice. Oryx however, is dead because he does not have his worm to sustain him.
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I had always wondered. Thanks for the POTENTIAL clear up. Helps a ton!
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We just simply left him floating somewhere in the rings of Saturn while he was dead because of us.
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I love lore!!! Thank you for posting this! Now, let's begin. There's one main flaw in your theory. Killing his worm, which you state is the source of his power, then, according to sword logic, would have made us even more powerful than if we just killed Oryx. Power comes through killing and the stronger the better. In this way, I suppose the crucible is making us stronger. Let's not forget that when the last person we know of who killed a worm (Akka), he made the tablets of ruin, learned how to "take", fashioned its lifeless body into the hull of a ship, and renamed himself Oryx. Tl;dr: killing Oryx's worm instead of him directly would actually have made us MORE powerful, not less. Not trying to argue (aka - no salt added), just love lore. :)
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There is also a theory that oryx isnt truely dead because he lives on through touch of malice. There is a cool video on oryx on YouTube by mylein games or something like that. Good video
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So we killed his sword logic?
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I guess we're going to try again, this time with Gjallarhorns until he's dead dead.
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7 RepliesIf you read the grimore card for the kingsfall raid, it says we challenged oryx in sword logic and won. However we left choosing not to take his power ourselves.
