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Edited by KazunK3k: 8/9/2016 4:35:34 AM
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Theory about Nokris, Oryx, etc.

EDIT: This theory has been SHUT DOWN. I forgot one crucial detail: when the Vex erase someone from existence, NO ONE from ANY TIMELINE remembers them. Everyone go home, put your tin foil hats in the garbage on the way out... So after reading some Grimoire cards along with the Book of Sorrows, as well as doing a recent replay of Regicide, I have come to a conclusion regarding Nokris, and a surprising potential discovery about Oryx. 1. Theory of the Fate of Nokris and the Calcified Fragments [spoiler]I still don't know who Nokris is, but he must be related to Oryx and Crota in some way. Here's what I think happened: When Crota accidentally released the Vex, there is a very good chance that Nokris was there to help defend the Osmium Throne/Dreadnaught. Even though Crota and Oryx obviously survived the Vex, Nokris may have been erased from existence. And then, even though the Vex were defeated, Quria may have at the last second teleported Crota and Oryx to a different timeline - [b][u]OUR TIMELINE[/u][/b] In our timeline, Nokris never existed, with evidence being that there is no information about him in the World's Grave or the [u]Calcified Fragments,[/u] which is my next point. Perhaps in the timeline that Crota and Oryx came from, the Books of Sorrow did detail Nokris, but since he doesn't exist here, the Fragments must not be the originals at all, but instead, our timeline's versions of them, wherein again, Nokris never existed.[/spoiler] 2. Theory on the Cathedral of Dusk Crucible map [spoiler]Oryx was saddened most likely by seeing this. No Hive understands Vex Gate technology, so Oryx couldn't find a way back. But he didn't want to just forget about Nokris because he must have been important. So he built 2 monuments dedicated to his memory: 1. The Nokris statue outside the Altar of Oryx. This one is obvious enough, no explanation needed. 2. The "Cathedral of Dusk." That's right, the Crucible map we all know and hate. If you read the Grimoire behind the lore of the map, the Vanguard and the Warlock Orders can only speculate its importance. The most logical explanation of it is that it's a grave marker to some Hive entity. Which in this case, it sort of is. Sort of like a massive monument to a dead - or perhaps nonexistent - military commander. That was Oryx's reason for the creation of that place: so that at least he himself would never forget Nokris.[/spoiler] 3. Theory on Crota and Oryx being from a different timeline [spoiler]This then leads on to the discovery: if all of this is true, then that means that the Crota and Oryx we fought were from the other timeline, not our own. So that would mean that when they were cast out here, there very well could have been 2 Crota's, and 2 Oryx's; 1 of each from this timeline, and the 2 we know and we killed. Most likely, the Crota and Oryx from our timeline thought of these "doubles" as impersonators attempting to steal the throne in Hive fashion. We can only assume that in the end, Crota and Oryx from the other timeline won.[/spoiler] 4. Small conclusion [spoiler]If Oryx went through all that trouble just so that Nokris would remain relevant, it can only mean one thing: Nokris must have been powerful, on par at least with that of Crota, or higher. Besides Oryx and Crota, the only other entities that may know of Nokris's existence are: 1. Any Vex that may have survived the failed attack on the Osmium Throne. 2. Atheon, Time's Conflux, because Atheon controls all of time, and all timelines from the past to the present to the future. So obviously he must know something.[/spoiler] So yeah, that's just my spinfoil hat theory. Please leave feedback and feel free to discuss. I just made this up today, so more research will be needed. 😂

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  • If my understanding is correct, Oryx and whoever he mated with spawned two children, Crota and a second larvae. The second larvae was cut in half and formed the twins. Nokris may be the larvae before it was split?

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    • I find it far more likely that Nokris is the mother of Crota, and mate to Oryx. Considering that the Daughters of Oryx don't even have their own monuments there, I would say the position of Hive Queen is the only reasonable explanation for that monument. Crota clearly has no brothers either.

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      • Keep in mind that Oryx is paracasual.

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      • If I remember correctly, the statue of Nokris is up front and to the right of the Oryx statue; Crota being to the left. This leaves me to believe Crota and Nokris are siblings, children to Oryx. We learn through the fragments that Oryx created Crota, but cut the second larvae in half with Willbreaker. Could it be possible Nokris was the name of this child before being split into the twin sisters?

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          • Nokris K - Noris Kuck Norris Chuck Norris The answer that bungie hid right under our noses! (Seriously though, bungie may actually have named him like this on purpose. They are infamous for small references. i.e Zen meteor and Queen's song lyrics.)

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          • Theory about why i dont care and didnt read it, also why it is most likely a very well thought out post pls???

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            • My spinfoil hat theory is Nokris is the queen Eris is talking about at the end of regicide, not the Awoken queen. And when Eris was trapped in the moon she struck a deal with Nokris to help her take power.

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              • Has it occurred to you that maybe Cathedral of Dusk is a "grave marker" to the dead wizard placed inside of the giant glowing crystal in the middle of the map?

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                • Edited by Leon1des: 8/9/2016 4:02:43 AM
                  Your main flaw is that you fail to understand that anyone that the Vex eliminate from time (cease to ever have existed) WILL NOT BE REMEMBERED BY ANYONE. How then can Oryx remember this Hive? It is not possible. Kabr forgot about most of his team bc they too were wiped out completely across all times. Some we know about because they perhaps found a way back thus the paradox in many of the VoG lore. Sorry but your explanation is absolutely wrong. This unknown Hive could simply have been a Great Hive lost in the first war against the Vex or casted out by Oryx, or even lost out there in the Cosmos for whatever reason.

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                  • It is said that the vex only have the power to erase people from time within the volt of glass as it is an area of simulation the vex have perfected. Out side of the vault the vex don't have the same control. This is the vex's main goal. To control everything. This is why I believe the vex could not have erased Nokris as the Dreadnought is out side of vex control

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                    • https://twitter.com/ganjatronicals/status/762885310615212032 As the text at the end of the Crota son of Oryx grimoire card points out there may be other Hive netherworlds within the Vex gate system ruled by Crota like entities. I believe this is where Nokris lies.

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                      • Right or wrong... This makes me want to see more of Vex as ever. Might just play VoG nostalgia tonight just because I read this. I miss the y1 content 😭

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                      • So basically... We will have to pull the LAN cable on Nokris if we go into a time machine?

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                        • but the paradox mission...

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                        • [spoiler]Made You Look[/spoiler]

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                          • Maybe since the dreadnaught is Oryx's throne world,the Vex erasing Nokris wouldn't affect the Dreadnaughts records and such,but it would affect the worlds grave.

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                          • [quote]I just made this up[/quote]

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                            • Nokris= Hillary Clinton confirmed. Case. Closed.

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                              • Not sure about the different timelines thing. What purpose would they have to send them to a different time of they lose either way? Why does Nokris not get any mention in the Books of Sorrow and how would going through time even change something that was written? Look at Praedyth. Despite all the time junk happening to him, his name remained on armor and weapons. And if Nokris was removed from the books[i] somehow[/i], how did the statue remain? How would Oryx remember him? It's a creative theory, but you need some lore to back this up. [spoiler] My personal theory is that Nokris may have done something to betray Oryx and so Oryx removed him from the Books of Sorrow. Savathun even writes in one passage how Oryx is lying in the books (though she a trickster so...). The only hole in the theory is the statue.[/spoiler]

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                                • I like it

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                                • Its a good theory man, the only thing I find unnecessary is the different timeline thing.

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                                • Giant death flies

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                                • I'm fairly certain they are from another timeline since Crota was thrown through a vex gate to terrorizd us.

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                                • Well, I'll be sure to ask Atheon about that next time I'm wrecking him with Sleeper Simulant.

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                                  • Nokris is my mommy

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