[quote]You have to sacrifice your Super (and the orbs it can create for your group) in order to get that type of power, though. For many, this is not a wise move in PvP - nor is it practical given the recharge rate and match length. In the Raid, Sunsingers can get away with it, of course, but then they are vulnerable after a resurrection with only a sub-par primary weapon to defend themselves until their Super returns.[/quote] Actually, I do use it in pvp. I max out my intellect, and with kills have my super charged in about 3 minutes. Then I'm a killing machine. Admittedly, I do not like saving my super, but using solar makes up the difference. 2 fusion grenades and 2 melees are a decent substitute. Not to mention that Tlaloc has grenadier, which really can up the speed of your 'nades recharge.