originally posted in:Liberty Hub
Talk about a group without a party - the Republican Party has long abandoned the idea of small government. However, unlike the American Left, the American Right has at least a shred of puritanism - enough to where the movement doesn't backslide (or upslide, in the case of both political parties on the Authoritarian/Libertarian spectrum) away from its intended purpose.
The libertarian movement has Puritan Rabies, which makes it incredibly difficult to organize a legitimate political movement ([i]you[/i] try getting elected when part of your ideological base doesn't even believe elections should be a thing). The conservatives have enough to where they're willing to nominate Trump - a dagger in the back of the Party that has left them behind. I'm not going to vote for Trump (don't worry, my state is guaranteed to go red), but I at least understand why many conservatives are eager to.
Here's part of the problem, as I see it. Your typical conservative isn't a political ideologue. He's trying to live his life to its fullest extent, and he recognizes that a debt-ridden, authoritarian nanny-state is going to get in the way of that. He lives his life, and every election cycle he votes for the guy with the (R) behind his name. He might profess some moral outrage to certain decisions made by others - same-sex relationships, substance abuse, and anything outside of the traditional sphere. However, the movement has become increasingly tolerant of these things, in the sense that they don't necessarily want the state to legislate against them.
Ben Shapiro is the template for what I call a "New Republican."
The problem is that the guy with the (R) behind his name has been abusing his power in Washington. He doesn't reduce spending - he only slows down increases. He doesn't preserve his constituent's economic freedom, but he's more than happy to grandstand about all those social issues that people aren't so fond of. The GOP establishment overstretched its bounds, and the conservatives detonated a Trump-bomb.
I'm curious to see what happens to the GOP. It's going to be divided, certainly. The Party abandoned its constituents, and now both the people [i]and[/i] the establishment are going to fall out of the ideological arena because of it.
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Too long; Didn't read
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I don't understand why it's so difficult for them to find a normal, charismatic, reasonable candidate that they can rally behind.
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What I find frustrating is that the politicians who are for the constitution and for small government are ridiculed and are not taken seriously while the ones who don't take governing seriously are the more outgoing and automatically give every republican a bad name (I'm looking at you John mccain). On a side note, it's also frustrating being on the butt end of every joke, bit you can't help it when your candidate is Donald Trump
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I'm an anarchist honestly. Government policies completely ruin most all people life's, in one area or another, or in the case of the homeless, all areas.
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Edited by Robin: 7/21/2016 11:21:17 AMLiberals, conservatives, libertarians, green etc.... They are all the same once they get elected. Greedy pigs that will do anything to fill there pockets. I trust none of them.
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Conservatives recognize authoritarian? You mean the party that wants to regulate everything exactly how they want it? What conservatives complain about is that all the rules and regulations aren't the ones they want. Make no mistake they are more than willing to regulate the living hell out of everything they don't agree with. All you have to do is look at the trail of crap that came out of Trump's VP pick
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I have seen every convention since '68 and this was the worst...no spirit, no plan...half empty stadium...something is missing.
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And the only problem we have is the very existence of political parties
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Edited by STDs101: 7/20/2016 11:56:56 PMI feel bad for anybody who puts their energy Into the snake club oops I ment politics
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You already said voted for him in the primaries dont try to save yourself now. Stall supports citizens united to allow businesses to fund whoever they want as prez. His opinion on anything is invalid
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Edited by elemenopee: 7/20/2016 2:56:32 PMGOP is currently in a death spiral, it started when Bush began the 2nd war and it will end with Trump's loss in the election. (He doesn't want to win. He wants a TV reality show and five more book deals and million$$$ to get on stages and talk to idiots.) A new Populist party must be formed, to dismantle Wall St., preserve choice and freedom, stop war, stop the sales of combat assault weapons, get education up to #1 worldwide, and keep the environment clean and natural resources preserved for future generations. TRUE fiscal conservatism would recognize these as things that will enrich all citizens.
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This feels incredibly on point. Also I sure hope the movement becomes like Ben, no matter his height. #shapiro2020
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I discovered Ben Shapiro a few months ago. My life will never be the same. #benshapiro2020
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It's only a matter of time before there no longer is a Republican party and when that day happens, democracy will have finally died in this country. The 2020 election could very well be between two liberals. The illusion of choice at its finest.
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No no. Republicans voted for Trump. No conservatives.
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Accurate
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it's kind of beautiful watching the party implode. i agree with things democrats and republicans say but I've always found myself leaning more left in general. the party has made its own grave.
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The Republicans need to get their shit together.
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What can you do? What can i do?
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I would quote this but too damn big.
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The Republican party is a shriveled husk of its former self