I still can't agree with calling snipers OP. I usually don't use the 3rd person perspective to counter snipers, but I find that if you peek, you have to come out fast at an unexpected height/angle. If you counter snipe or use a weapon that causes lots of flinch, you should win the engagement. I wouldn't call snipers OP simply because I have to avoid them constantly. I'll admit, I still die from them. But not nearly as much as I would if I didn't take precautions. It's the same as shotguns, you just have to assume that your enemy has the optimal special weapon for every scenario. Otherwise you'll find yourself dying from snipers constantly all the time, which would be very frustrating. You have to apply what you know about avoiding snipers in EVERY scenario that you find them, not just sometimes. And if you do something to avoid them, maybe you could improve? For instance, maybe you're using vertical space, but you might be staying in the air just long enough for them to snipe you. As a sniper myself, I find that even 1 second is more than enough time to make a vertical adjustment to snipe someone. Apply these practices religiously, and maybe you won't die from them as much. Watch good players like RealKraftyy or TrueVanguard, they all use these principles to avoid them or even counter them. Yes, it sounds like a lot of work right now. But once these movements become second nature, you'll appreciate that players aren't using a really OP gun, they might just be very talented at the game.

But that's the thing, I know exactly everything you mention, I fight using CQC so I've gotten good at dodging snipers. What I feel you suggesting is that this is a git Gud scenario and its simply isn't. Plus this forum has over 900 replies so regardless on how either of us feel this is an issue. Also I admit their are talented player everyone strides to be the best but snipers have become a short cut. Why master the timing of a fusion rifle, Shotgun, side arm,when I have guarantee two shot or body primary weapon. This style of sniping is what's ruining the name of sniper. these changes aren't going to hurt a good player and actually created skill where there current isn't one.

I only mentioned the bullet pulling since you made it sound like sniping in close quarters is easy, when in fact it isn't. And I never simply told you to "get good," I'm simply offering valid suggestions that you could use to improve your game since there is nothing wrong with the snipers themselves. The increased ADS time was completely unnecessary IMO. If there is anything you change, it's the flinch on sniper rifles since it can sometimes be irritating to die when you're peppering a sniper with a primary when you had a preemptive hit. If you knew everything, then why are you complaining that you die to them? Accept that you aren't perfect and learn from your mistakes. I have to admit this myself too. This goes for everyone on this post who complains about snipers being OP, not just you. Nerfing snipers again will only make snipers switch to something more viable such as shotguns, which are already strong in comparison. People complain about snipers because of their one shot nature, but honestly, I don't know what else to tell you. Maybe send me some footage of you playing so that I can see what you or other players did wrong. Nerfing this weapon by making the draw time slower or decreasing body shot damage would infuriate any sniper. Unless you want people like kjhovey or RealKraftyy to quit this game, I suggest you adapt to countering snipers.

Also I could careless about the players you mentioned anyone could to be honest. Some of the best destiny Players have quite because of how balancing is in this game.

And why do you think people have complained about balance? While we may be closer in year 2 to balancing weapons, I find it much less fun than year 1 since so many things have been nerfed. While some changes were necessary, not all of them are. Simply because someone happens to repeatedly kill you with a weapon doesn't mean it's OP. Like I said, if you want I can review footage of you or someone else with some gameplay featuring some things you might be doing to counter snipers. Anyone who disagrees with me is free to do the same.

Do you hear what you are saying? Your assuming people are mad because they get killed. The majority people are mad not because of getting killed but seeing how little it takes to do so.