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More Government, or Less?

We need a net decrease in government spending.

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We need a net increase in government spending.

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I got my hands back on my copy of Steyn's [i]After America[/i]. Steyn is a conservative, but he's also a realist when it comes to U.S. debt. Too often (granted, not always), discussions over the budget conclude like this - [b]Liberals[/b] (progressives, but I'm nice) - "We ought to expand social spending. We can close the spending deficit [note - the deficit is [i]not[/i] the national debt] by adding layers to the tax code - layers that will prevent "the wealthy" from avoiding paying their fair share." [b]Conservatives[/b] - "Social spending is out of control. However, we need to "rebuild" the military, and it's of the utmost importance to 1) crush enemies in the Middle East, and 2) continue social regulation like the War on Drugs." Then Congress bickers over the placement of a few billion dollars, and the electorate treats the U.S. Presidential election as if it's nominating a Supreme Ideological Overlord. All the while, the debt clock ticks steadily upwards. Republicans might save us a few billion dollars here and there. Great, but it just gets borrowed and spent again within the week. The next day, they rubber stamp a bill that increases spending. Back to square one. They're no better than the Democrats. Both parties are spending the money of generations that have yet to be born. Let's get one thing straightened out, progressives. "The wealthy" don't have enough gold bars under their Emperor-sized mattresses to bail us out of this mess. Steyn's words... [quote]The somebody who has our money is the government. They waste it on self-aggrandizing ideologue nitwits like Van Jones and his "green jobs" racket. Every day these guys burn through so much that they can never bridge the gap. Under the 2011 budget, the government of the United States spent $188 million every hour that it didn't have. Twenty-four hours a day, seven days a week, including Thanksgiving, Christmas, and Ramadan. So how many of "the rich" would you require to cover that shortfall? ... According to the Congressional Budget Office, Obama's "Buffet Rule" [referring to billionaire Warren Buffet] will raise -- stand back -- $3.2 billion per year. Which is what the United States government currently borrows every seventeen hours. ... A nation that takes seriously the Buffet Rule and the other mangy and emaciated rabbits the Great Magician produces from his threadbare topper is certainly in need of having its awareness of basic arithmetic raised. For what Big Government is spending, there aren't enough of "the rich," and there never will be. There is only one Warren Buffet. He is the third wealthiest person on the planet. The first is a Mexican, and beyond the reach of the U.S. Treasury. Mr. Buffet is worth $44 billion. If he donated the entire lot to the government of the United States, they would blow through it within four and a half days. Okay, so who's the fourth richest guy? He's French. And the fifth guy's a Spaniard. Number six is Larry Ellison. He's American, but that loser is only worth $36 billion. So he and Buffet between them could keep the United States government going for a week. The next richest American is Christy Walton of Walmart, and she's barely a semi-Buffet. So her $25 billion will see you a couple of days of the second week. There aren't a lot of other semi-Buffets, but, if you scrounge around you can rustle up some hemi-demi-semi-Buffets: if you confiscate the total wealth of the Forbes 400 richest Americans, it comes to $1.5 trillion, which is a little less than the federal shortfall in just one year of Obama-sized budgets. 2011 deficit - $1.56 trillion.[/quote] Now just apply the "millionaire's tax" to anybody who takes home more than... a quarter million a year (so much sense). How much are we coming up with? Enough to raise $19.3 trillion within a reasonable time frame? Don't forget interest payments, and don't forget that we've already [i]confiscated 100% of the wealth of the top 400 wealthiest Americans.[/i] So they're no longer paying into the system. It isn't about increasing revenue. It's about cutting costs. We spend [i]far[/i] too much, and shuffling around a few billion dollars in funding once a year isn't going to change anything, [i]Republicans.[/i] Programs need to get axed, and fast. So, what are your thoughts? Can we survive with current spending levels, or do we need a spending decrease? Or do you [i]honestly[/i] believe that a few extra layers on the tax code will rope us in enough income to deal with it?

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  • I'd prefer to set the goal at "better" (as in more efficient, more accessible, more transparent, less self-serving) and allow the matter of "larger or smaller?" be a side effect of "better". As one example, there is a huge difference between regulation (the need for it and the benefits of it) and the reality of regulatory agencies. An agency is created due to an observed or perceived need (doesn't really matter what that need is, all tend to apply), the Legislative branch then writes laws that determine what the nation wants done to regulate or control that issue or need. To enforce those new laws, the Executive branch either assigns the enforcement of those laws to an existing agency, or creates a new agency to enforce those laws. The Legislative branch then authorizes funding for that agency. So far, so good. Sounds perfectly reasonable, logical and effective. But then something strange happens. The agency (again, doesn't matter which one, they all do to some extent or another) knows that its existence (not just as a collection of letters and a logo, but as a group of people who get paid) is dependent on continuing to receive funding from the Legislature, and what every agency wants is not steady funding, but MORE funding. After all, bigger budget means "this agency can then do MORE". And so, the agency begins performing studies that show just how helpful and important its existence is. Not just the fact that it's enforcing laws, but that it's refining and building on those laws by determining new regulations that are agency created. They're not laws, but they have the power and force of laws, and they are determined and set by the agency that gets more funding to justify not only the enforcement of those additional regulations, but to support the growth and infrastructure of the agency itself. That's when a subtle cycle begins and agencies become powers unto themselves. Does anyone know what goes on in any of the multitude of alphabet soup agencies? And when I say, "goes on" I don't mean "what is their general purpose or stated reason they exist", I mean does anyone really know what they are doing with multi-billion dollar annual budgets? The IRS, FDA, and the rest of the alphabet soup? Here's a listing https://www.federalregister.gov/agencies have fun scrolling through it. Each of those agencies has to go to either its parent or to Congress, show how it spent last years budget, ask for the next years, and try to grow and continue to stay valid, worthwhile and ever increasingly "effective". The internal bloat that can build up in such organizations can collect faster than the plaque on the walls of a heart patient at an all-you-can-eat fatty food buffet. People don't get fired, they get new titles. The agency has to grow after all. Oh, and if the agency is large enough, the people who work for it can unionize. Not too terrible an idea on the surface, until you realize that when Congress is seen as the source of the payroll instead of the general populace, then the elected officials who are in Congress can be lobbied, pressured, and contributed to and when they are in office, they then authorize the budgets for those agencies, who then may see more money in their department, more benefits, and so on. Imagine if unionized employees of a private enterprise could help elect, support or even pressure the fiscal officers within the company they work for. When that happens, who is working for who or do we have one hand washing the other? IMO, regulations are a part of life and realistic, fair and reasonable ones should be in place and enforced professionally. But the "nature of the beast" when it comes to literally ANY agency is that eventually it becomes about preserving/enlarging/empowering itself as well as the intended purpose of enforcement. And that's why I would like to see something "better", where agencies are not just audited, but their entire existence is limited at the time of their founding/authorization and when that lifespan runs out, the Legislature then looks at what has been built, what is effective, efficient, worthwhile, and in the interests of the People. If it makes sense, keep the regulations that work, eliminate the ones that are chaff, and recreate the agency (or create a merged agency where two existing ones were overlapping) with an eye towards something that makes sense for that time, not keeping something that still has divisions dedicated to issues that are no longer relevant (but no one would dare remove them, because they get funding!). Any government agency, body or group that is not authorized by the Constitution? They should have an "expiration date" where it's previous existence and structure is reviewed, resolved, and either eliminated, tasked to other agencies, or that agency is built again, without the cobwebs, fat, inbreeding and cronyism that some agencies have enjoyed for generations. A rebirth and spring-cleaning, if you will. Experts who served in the previous agency are welcome to find positions within, especially considering their experience. But the restructure and new agency is treated as new and in need of "proving itself" and not "we've always been here, you just can't get rid of us". No aspect of the government should ever be "too big to fail", "too established to question" or "too important to start again from scratch", especially when not one person within ALL of those agencies was voted into their position or otherwise answers to the electorate. Not one.

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