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Edited by Der Sheff:
6/24/2016 10:17:23 PM
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I CoD all snipers are one hit kill. In Halo you have a reticule on the screen, so you don't even have to aim.
Another thing, all you have done is confirmed bias. Look at the data points for snipers:
http://guardian.gg/en/weapon-stats?platform=1&start=2016-05-25&end=2016-06-23&mode=10&activity=0
They do not dominate 6v6 or Free for All. They are prominent in SOME 3v3 game modes, chiefly Trials and Elimination. Therefore, sniper rifles are balanced in 6v6 and Free for All game modes. The weapon types, aim assist, equip speed are all fine.
Bungie needs to figure out how to better format 3v3 modes for special ammo, not format special weapons to 3v3 modes.
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no...all it will do is hurt PVE...buff other weapons
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Simple really just completely get rid off specials and heavy in trials. I personally don't think anyone would go flawless the initial week of this change.
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No, because Trials should be about weapon mastery of all three types - primary, special and heavy. It could be that both the first and second rounds are primary only and round three adds special, four adds heavy and five, six and seven (or however many more it takes) are primary only.
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Lol you must be new or have never done trials. All people use is special. I legit played 5 elimination matches a few days ago and I was maybe killed twice by each match by a primary. It's called [b][u]primary[/u][/b] for God's sake.
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Holy illiterate, Batman! Did you even read what I wrote? I said special ammo should be round specific, which would solve the problem.
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Well the thing is the round special activates would immediately be all specials. Yeah I can read, and I've also done trials. No one uses primary ammo when special is an option.
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And if it's one round only, there will be less bitching...
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That thing I wouldn't be surprise if it is so balance because of two reasons 1. The body shot primary finish meaning the data doesn't get recorded in to the growth. 2. So many people depend on snipers as a crutch someone of have mastered snipers which is fine but many simply abuse the rapid two shots leaving snipers to have such balance appearance. Also snipers dominated trials and elimination.
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Snipers do dominate Trials and Elimination, which I said before. What I am saying is that they need to balance those game modes to work with special weapons, not balance the special weapons to work with those modes. Sniper Rifles are balance in all but three modes; Skirmish, Elimination and Trials. So, fix the modes and leave the weapon type as is.
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The only reason snipers dominate in 3vs3 is simple rez sniping. If there were game types in 6vs6 that required rezing snipers would dominate those as well
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But the issue with that isn't that it's the game mode fault it's the fact that snipers can easily dominate and the reason why it isn't dominating in 6 v 6 is that people don't want to get gunned down by the entirety of the enemy team because you can easily dominate 3 people with a sniper but 5 or 6? Not happening.
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Essentially you haven't countered that sniper rifles are anything but balanced in 6v6, so I assume you grant me that is true. The data points indicate sniper rifles are fine. If sniper rifles are balanced in 6v6, why further balance them to 3v3? You would essentially break them for 6v6. Bad idea. In Trials and Elimination, what they really need to do is make special ammo round specific, just like heavy ammo and 90% of the complaints will disappear.
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Their not balanced in 6 v 6 it's just that third is so much going on that it provides less opportunities, but take a look of iron banner clash of control a full team of snipers can easily dominate and I have seen that happen. A single weapon type shouldn't be significantly better then every other one. Snipers should have to have the skills to pay the bills and sadly any person can pick up that OP weapon type.
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I give you Iron Banner stats: http://guardian.gg/en/weapon-stats?platform=1&start=2016-05-01&end=2016-05-31&mode=19&activity=0 Still wrong, bud.
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Yes iron banner and 6 v 6 are going to show different results due to such a large amount of players making different choices of course your going to have a normal average due to bad snipers and good snipers how ever in 3 v 3 which I'll admit is s different environment allow snipers to run rampant but like stated earlier anyone can pick up a sniper and body shot man. If you can't acknowledge that and only use data that gets heavily average due to bad players. I would love to see that same data when you have average players (.9 kid +)and above their would be huge differences in that data.
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You can't balance due to the best players in the game. It's simply not fair to take someone like TrueVanguard, Luminosity, Murdaro, KJHovey or any other A+++ player and balance every weapon based on their performance. I am personally not very good at crucible and find sniper rifles difficult for a number of reason; I use look sensitivity 10 and have an Elite Controller with aggressive look settings. Snipping is way too hard in crucible, so I don't them. However, I am very good at raiding. Does that mean that Bungie should decrease damage values of weapons that I use for raids? Would make as much sense as balancing weapons that people with 2.0+ k/d's use.
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Here the thing in PVE they should be left alone in PVP serious PVPers are tired of this and I know a lot of people want to defend their crutch. But it doesn't justify having complete bullshit in trials or other game type.
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Ah, Trials salt. Nerfing a special weapon type for Trials is absurd. Nerf Trials to deal with special weapons. Make special ammo round specific .
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It's not trial salt I'm just using it as an example. Sorry if it displeased you.
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I am completely neutral and totally calm. I guess that's why I can see this argument for what it is: saltiness due to Trials. Good luck with the cause, bud.
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Uh thank you but it's not s saltiness issue and you have brought up valid points that will likely result in changes on my post. Please keep in mind my intention aren't to better myself but to change destiny for the better.
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Also your a great debater I appreciate you taking time to have this discussion
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Also doesn't justify no bullet drop
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git gud
