If you apply the stringent criteria you do to disproving something you need to apply it to yourself as well. Below you'll understand. [quote]A theory has been going around, popularized by some (including MyNameIsByf) that the Worm Gods in the books of sorrow are Ahamkara. This is due to ONE phrase in the books that sounds like the Ahamkara and the fact that Worm can mean dragon.[/quote] Wrong right off the bat. There are multiple references to draw that conclusion. Akka describing his body is just one. That the dead worm speaks to whatever sister had it and she uses the speech pattern "oh sister mine" is a direct parallel to the ahamkara gear as dead bones as well as their flavor text "oh bearer mine". They also struck bargains similar to each other. So do your research if you want to disprove a theory. [quote]There are MULTIPLE reasons to believe this interpretation is inaccurate. 1. The proper term for dragon is Wyrm, not Worm. While some archaic texts do not make this distinction, it should be known that in modern terminology it is improper.[/quote] Bungie has not used the term wyrm so we do not know if the is is relevant at all. We have seen worm, dragon, and ahamkara. Unless we see wyrm there is no reason for bungie to be following that nomenclature. Hell they called the flying dragons on Venus batadactyls and are not ahamkara. Unless that's a lie which with bungie who knows. [quote]2. The Hive Worm Gods have larva, which look like worms. Dragons are reptiles. They do not have larva.[/quote] Assumption and if you want to get real technical dragons would be birds or dinosaurs not reptiles. They have feathers in game. Regardless we don't know the phylogeny of the ahamkara to say what they are. Either way we dont know the lifecycle of the dragons in destiny. For all we know they could have larvae as they may only be called dragons due to looks. The worms call themselves worms. The ahamkara don't refer to themselves in game. [quote]3. The Ahamkara have no known connection to the Hive. The Worm Gods were found in a gas giant. The Ahamkara were on Venus.[/quote] No known connection doesn't exclude a possible one and while you're right about the worm gods the ahamakara were not restricted to Venus. [quote]4. They were killed by guardians in the droves, which doesn't suggest the power the Hive God's possessed.[/quote] Droves is an assumption. We don't know how many there were to begin with or how difficult they were to kill. We know that teams of warlocks were the only ones capable of hunting adults for the most part. Also there is no indication that the ahamkara were ever as powerful as the worm gods to begin with. [quote]5. Akka, a Hive Worm God, is KNOWN to have had a carapace, something Dragons DO NOT HAVE. 6. Akka's Carapace was larger than the Dreadnaught. Ahamkara bones decorate Guardians.[/quote] Again you're comparing to likely [b]the[/b] largest and most powerful of the worms. That's a poor comparison as clearly the ahamakara weren't the peak of the worm hierarchy even if they were one and the same. They would be smaller and of various sizes. You're also again assuming biology with the basis in game. Look at the concept art. They clearly are not typical European style dragons and easily could have a carapace. [quote]7. The Books of Sorrow specifically mention a group known as 'Dragons' that have favor with the Worm Gods. This difference HEAVILY implies that the two entities are distinct. In conclusion, a connection between the Worm Gods and Ahamkara is suggested, but NEVER stated. In addition, any attempt that suggests they are the same grossly misconstrues information and must rely on some form of unfounded assumption. Edit 1: Is it beyond reason to believe that Ahamkara and the Worms are the same? No. Does the lore [i]directly[/i] contradict this speculation? No. Is there sufficient evidence to claim that this idea is fact? Again, no. Edit 2: Added 7. Source: Book of Sorrow XLV.[/quote] This is the only real solid evidence you have and you explained it so poorly. They mention dragon promises. It is my theory that the ahamkara and worms are related. Not one and the same but closely related. I more just have a problem with how poorly you try to make your point