Agreed when they nerfed the thorn which was a bitch for a hunter that didn't have any void abilities to get in year one the problem was not the thorn just that people were taking it to the crucible there are two different types of players and bungee has tried to combine them and we don't normally go that way case in fact is my stats I'm level 50 vanguard and I think a level 6 crucible and have only done the trials twice in the last two years