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6/6/2016 1:31:13 AM
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The Problem with Destiny's Exotics

Exotics should be god-tier, better than other non-exotics

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Exotics should be on the same level as non-exotics

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Down with Exotics, fast fire legendaries 4 lyfe

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My personal story [spoiler] Recently, I took a very, VERY long hiatus from Destiny to play most of the new games that came out (i.e. Overwatch, Doom) and some old games (i.e. Halo series, Bonerlands, etc). Keep in mind that before I took this break, I'd played Destiny almost every single day for a year and a half. I was playing Doom when I was using the "Double Shotty Combo" (both combat shotgun and super shotgun) and I was top of the leaderboards when I thought, "This shit needs to be nerfed", followed by, "WHAT MANNER OF SISSYNESS IS THIS? Just because something is performing well, it needs to be nerfed?" That little voice in the back of my head said that that's how Destiny manages to keep it's exotics in check. Then it dawned on me, that feeling I hadn't felt in a long time. I was having FUN in Doom, where I hadn't had fun in Crucible since before HoW, before the dark times. At that moment, I realized something.[/spoiler] DESTINY'S FANS HAVE RUINED THE GAME: A History Lesson [spoiler] When Destiny launched back in September 2014, exotics were described as the best of the best, weapons obtained by feats of strength, the hardest activities in the game, etc. Ok, maybe all that didn't pan out, but the part about the best of the best was at least still true. Ice Breaker hit like a truck and had ammo to spare, Invective was the only true fully automatic shotgun, Gjallarhorn was the best boss melter in the game, Red Death could keep you in the fight longer, a Crucible gun with Crucible lore, designed for Crucible, The Last Word had an actual reason to hip-fire, Thorn not only stopped Regen, but also did damage. Then came the Mythoclast, the first gun worth calling a nerf for. The fair few people who actually got the gun, or got paired up realized this gun was broken. People getting 4 shot cross mapped, killed through walls because of Fusion rifle hit-scan, other nerf-worthy incidents. Bungie stomped out a weed before it became a problem, good for them. Then came Suros. A little less nerf-worthy, but certainly a problem. Then all was good, a few patches here and there, but nothing compared to the newest meta; The HoW Meta. Thorn, TLW, and Red Death. The 9 months meta. Thorn was kept in check by a low ammo count with slow reload. The Last Word was kept in check by actually requiring skill to accurately hip-fire. Red Death was always a good choice in Crucible. Then Thorn's ammo count was buffed to 150%, with a reload twice as fast, The Last Word was glitched to not require hip-fire, and Red Death was thrown in as practically the only counter for them. Ever since then, the Forums are constantly plagued by calls for nerfs, buffs, outlandishly ludicrous changes to be made, leading to the destruction of the best weapons in the game.[/spoiler] EXOTICS ARE NOW MOSTLY OBSOLETE [spoiler] Think back to when you got your first exotic. You probably didn't get it fighting the Gas Wyrms of Jupiter, or helping to defend Twilight Gap or the Battle of Six Fronts. You probably got it from something mundane, like as a Strike reward or bottom of the team in Crucible or being a dreaded Xurner. But it didn't matter, it was special to you. "Wow, this weapon shoots poison!" "My gun reloads after every kill!" "This rifle regenerates ammo, that's so cool." It was a magical moment for most all of us, a weapon to be proud of. Now think about someone who just picked up the game recently, someone who is running around with his gunsmith Suros auto rifle rolled with glass half full and focused fire. He places 3rd in the crucible and gets the Suros Regime. "Oh wow, an exotic!" He compares the stats. "My legendary is better in every single way to this crappy exotic." His friend, with equally bad luck, finishes King's Fall and gets Thunderlord. But wait, he rolled a Qullim's Terminus with feeding frenzy. Who needs to waste an exotic slot when you already have a weapon that does the same job, and then some. Now their 3rd friend has ridiculously good luck and gets a god-roll Grasp of Malok on his first run of the Omnigul. When he gets back to the Tower, he decides an engram and gets Bad Juju. "Oh yeah, new exotic!" But the stats on Bad Juju are worse than Grasp of Malok, and he's already got 100% Intellect.[/spoiler] As it stands in the game now, there are very few exotics worth trading a legendary equivalent for. The Last Word has lost any reason to be hip-fired anymore, Suros feels like an overshined legendary gunsmith order, Tlauloc feels like a poor man's Mida Multitool, which is one of the few surviving exotics, almost every heavy machine gun being used is Qullim's Terminus, Thorn shoots tickle darts that do no damage and last about the time it takes to blink, Touch of Malice is literally only used on Oryx and Sisters, I could go on but I think I've made my point. Most of the current Exotics in this game don't really feel 'Exotic' anymore. They just feel like workhorses with a different paint job, and are often times outclassed by other legendaries, or their class it so rigid that there are better options for almost every single activity. (Looking at you Dreg's Promise) Exotics are becoming nothing more than novelty items, things to be flaunted, then switched out or used as a joke. I, for one, can no longer stand the abuse and mistreatment of Exotics any longer, but you can help for just pennies a day. Call 1(800)-555-EXOTIC to cast your vote on whether we should keep exotics on our level, or elevate them to their previous godhood, or just select a choice above.

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  • Edited by DirtyBlondeMedic: 6/7/2016 7:38:29 PM
    [quote]Invective was the only true fully automatic shotgun[/quote] The Fourth Horseman fires tons faster and is just flat out better...

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    • Edited by evomichel: 6/7/2016 6:59:57 PM
      And we are not even talking about legendaries. Compare the VoC with any scout in game now... every single scout will be trash against it, at both stats and perks. (PVE wise).

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      • Simple, just make exotics multi mode with a PvP and separate pve mode, and disable the exotic perk in crucible, job done, next.

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      • At this point, in late game, most of my legendries far out perform my exotics. High Stability Doctrine or the Monte Carlo... easy choice.

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      • PvE gets awesome exotic weaponry. PvP gets the boring shit. Pretty simple. Too bad Bungie didn't think of that.

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      • The truly great exotics that we all coveted and worked so hard to obtain. The Gjallarhorn, the Icebreaker, the original version of the Vex Mythoclast... those weapons were OP as shit... and that is what made them wonderful and truly exotic. I do miss those days.

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        • I do have to agree completely that no legendary gun should out play an exotic gun. But at the same time, everyone would only use exotic primaries in pvp. That takes away from other exotics

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        • 1(800)-555-390842 doesn't work.

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          • Yup. The only exotic worthy of my primary slot is bad juju. Otherwise it's all about the exotic swords. They are pretty satisfying.

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            • Agree 100%, in year one the first exotic I got was mida multi tool from my first nightfall my teammates were jealous as and I was pumped. That thing was in my primary slot exclusively for a couple of months. In the first week of year 2 I farmed draksis and turned in about 40 exotic engrams it wasn't the same they didn't feel earned. In my opinion 3 of coins have devalued exotics to the point where they have became redundant. I hope there is no 3 of coins in destiny 2.

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            • Agreed on all of the above.... [i]~TheGreatReebok[/i]

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            • Weapon tiers should matter. An exotic should be good and only slightly better than legendaries, but legendaries should only be able to beat exotics. Blues should never best legendary or exotic, greens shouldn't best blues or higher, whites should make you look like a fool.

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            • Year 1 exotics felt like exotics. Today's exotics can't even keep up with Doctrine of Passing.

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              • They are all just pixels.. None of this is important.. Just have fun..

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                • Exotics are supposed to be equal to legendaries with a perk that makes them different than legendaries, not better or worse. Right now, most exotics are worse than legendaries, so just need to buff some archetypes.

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                • CORRECTION, PvP cry babies have ruined exotics. I don't believe Pve players complain about Vex Mythoclast or Suros being overpowered in PvE.

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                  • They need to take out Three of Coins. I get exotics more than legendaries. They don't feel exotic anymore because of how common they've become.

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                  • Meh

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                  • Exotics should be better than legendaries sure but God tier....... no. A game with so many stats and perks in weapons has a ton of options which is variety. Variety will create meta's as players test weapons, looking for the best one. It part of having options. Meta's crush variety. Developers nerf meta class weapons to reintroduce variety. Players find new op weapon a meta is born. Meta crushes variety, devs nerf, players find, etc........vicious cycle but good for the game keeps it changing.

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                  • PVP crybabies have basically ruined everything for PVE players. When the quiver glitch was happening in PVP, they blocked the perk completely because it's not possible for them to change every gun/perk/stat to be fair in crucible, AND stay the same in PVE. They can't have 2 sets of mechanics for everything, and the PVP bitches cry the loudest, so they will always get their way. Go play CoD or battlefield if you want to sit they're playing PVP all day, leave the rest of us to fight hordes of NPCs our own way. [spoiler]They should get rid of PVP altogether.[/spoiler]

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                    • This is why there should be separate weapon tuning from PVE & PVP worlds. Because of PVP salty tears, the PVE world has to pay the price. I play PVP, but I enjoy co-op PVE world more.

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                    • *dials 1(800)-555-EXOTIC me: ayy yo what's good bring back exotics amirite you: what's good me: not exotics you: haaaaa me: yeah you: thnx 4 the suppport fam me: aight me: ... me: Well that was interesting.

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                    • EYY YO SOLAIRE WHAT'S GOOD

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                      A multiplayer game needs to be balanced. They should be godly in pve.

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                    • I completely agree. I only use exotics now because they have high light or I haven't gotten a good legendary roll. They don't feel exotic anymore. I think they made a mistake by nerfing all of the exotics so much.

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