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Sidearms are rapid-fire handgun weapons. They are great for both offensive play and as a back-up. Their quick handling and high accuracy allow you to swap to them to finish off an opponent when your primary weapon runs out of ammo and their quick time to kill makes them great for defending your self from a rushing shot gunner.
First the highest fire rate kind. This type includes the JabberHakke-D, Iornwreath-D, Conviction II, and Queens Choice.
- These fire at up to 300rpm
- Deal 45 damage to the body and 56 to the head
- It takes 5 shots to kill with body shots and 4 with headshots (Minimum of 2 headshots needed combined with 2 body)
- TTK is about 0.8s with body shots and 0.6s with headshots
These sidearms are great for highly offensive play. They have a short range and difficult recoil but a high time to kill. This makes them excellent for combat nearing shotgun range. The damage fall off is fairly slow but starts off very early, which means that you’ll lose effectiveness at range but can still finish off a weak target from a distance. This type of weapon rewards aggressive players who can aim accurately, control the recoil and are good with their movement abilities. They are also your best option as a versatile defensive weapon great to match with a long range primary.
Next the slower firing sidearms. This type includes only the Havoc Pigeon and Crow’s Eye.
- These fire at up to about 257rpm
- Deal 49 damage to the body and 61 to the head
- It takes 5 shots to kill with body shots and 4 with headshots (Only 1 headshots needed combined with 3 body. Can kill low armor targets with 4 body shots)
- TTK is about 0.94s with body shots and 0.7s with headshots
This type of sidearm is not as great for aggressive or defensive play. The slower fire rate means you must be more accurate and the lower TTK will make you less competitive with shotguns and other close range weapons. The advantage is that they have much greater range. Use this type of sidearm like a primary weapon. They will reward accurate paced shooting from a medium range.
The perks that I’d recommend for these are: range finder, zen moment, reactive reload, crowd control, and battle runner; in the middle tree look to maximize mag size and/or range.
Which type of sidearm do you like? What perks do you like on it?
Edit: Queens choice does more damage than others of the same fire rate due to its inaccuracy/bullet travel time (51-52 damage to body, 63-64 damage to head)
All other In depth posts: https://www.bungie.net/en/Forums/Post/209148528
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Great post. Tried an ib one yesterday and had so much fun that I only used that and melee for a few games. I have a conviction and crows eye that I'll try tonight
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The damage falls of way too fast in my opinion, but there isn't much you can do with sidearms. Too much range and they would be too strong.
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Yesterday I got rangefinder, ready up and QuickDraw
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Edited by Wolfishhat8131: 5/26/2016 5:06:29 PMI got a Jabber with RR and FF. It looks fun but I have yet to try it.
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Got the IB sidearm yesterday as an end match drop at 335. Has Zen moment, hotswap, and quickdraw.
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Omg i got the best ironwreath last night!!! Check my warlock- it has rangefinder and snapshot <3
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The vendor roll conviction II is the best around right now
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Thanks a ton, perfect post example!!! I have probably 5 or 6 side arms sitting around and was not really sure the differences esp thinking of low ROF vs HroF and the logic behind the best perks is counter to what I usually look for. I know I have a few jabberhakke (sp) and havoc pidgins plus a conviction, you have motivated me to equip a few at a time and go have some fun!
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Edited by Monst3r Status: 5/24/2016 10:55:59 PMVery well done (the post, haven't watched the video). You should do more. Edit: This is the kind of stuff I would like to see more of. It's a refreshing break from all the negative, baiting, and complaining threads. Keep this kind of stuff coming please.
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Edited by Selenophobia: 5/26/2016 3:23:10 AMI run sidearm competitively in trials and I gotta say, there is no love for this gun type... good job sir spreading the word on how well they work
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Love sidearms, especially the NM one but my question is what in God's name was that Suros Scout towards the end and how do I get my hands on it?
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Edited by PERSPIREE_JUNIOR: 5/25/2016 9:54:15 PMI haz a controller that has auto... can actually achive the .6 seconds
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I love sidearms so this post is useful :)
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Feeding frenzy/reactive reload/ hammer forged havoc pigeon is really nasty
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I've loved Sidearms since I got back to Destiny and saw they were added. Best middle game of any secondary. Melting rushing shotgunners is among the most satisfying things to do in the game.
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Side arm is the most under used gun in game. They are a beast and its awesome to stop a shotgunner in his tracks with it. Very satisfying.
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What are you doing? Why are you exposing sidearms like this? Don't you know this community can't handle any type of weapon that's actually considered viable?
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Most of my sidearms have feeding frenzy and crowd control. A deadly combination.
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Sidearms are scary in the right hands with an amazing TTK. Saw some Desticle badmouth sidearms earlier and looked up his KD to find it was 0.3.
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I love my NLB/ Conviction II set up. It's the only load out I use for crucible, IB, and ToO and it wrecks face
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I just got the Crows Eye and I love it. The perks are good and I am having a lot of fun in the Iron Banner with it.
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Where do you get queen choice
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Lower impact sidearms don't do it for me. I mainly use NLB and a havoc Pigeon. I get to the lighthouse at least once a week if not more with this combo. If you use a havoc Pigeon with crowd control reactive reload and QuickDraw like me the kills just roll I .
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I love my Queen's choice on my titan. It has saved me from a few messy situations.
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So I'm a long time destiny player but never really got into sidearms at all, I have a few different ones so wondering if anyone can give any advice on which they would say are best. I would say from a crucible stand point I'm not super aggressive (auto or scout rifle normal primaries) so please take into account when giving any responses. Conviction II - fast draw/steady hand, zen moment, hot swap and then speed reload/skip rounds/appended mag Crow's Eye - smart drift/accurized, snapshot, crowd control/hot swap and then speed reload/oiled frame Havoc Pigeon - quick draw/steady hand, crowd control, feeding frenzy and then hand loaded/QuickDraw/appended mag Queens Choice - soft ballistics/cqb ballistics, crowd control, partial refund and then speed reload/skip rounds/appended mag Also have a dregs promise but would prefer not to use exotic slot for my special.
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Crows eye and universal remote are a good loadout