Jealousy over your fellow guardians' abilities is not a good reason to strip a class of what makes them unique. Look at each class, you'll notice they all have a unique ability and an ability they share with only one class.
Titans+hunters- evade
Hunters+warlock- blink
Warlocks+titans- overshield
Titan- shoulder charge
Hunter- invisibility, thrown melee
Warlock- self revive, energy drain
Can we try and keep that dynamic so the classes remain interesting and not 3 identical clones?
edit: any abilities that are subpar should be buffed to more competitive levels.
More edits: it seems this topic is finally dead, so i don't have to worry about this post getting too long. I'll just add some of my opinions on things that came up in this topic.
This list is not comprehensive. It does not list every ability available to every class.
Exotic armor
[spoiler]some people mentioned that exotic armor shouldn't count for what a class is capable of doing. This makes sense because the abilities granted by armor, like twilight garrison, isn't an intrinsic part of the class. The class needs help from that outside source to function.
However, when looking at a class, don't you take into consideration what exotics are available to them? Exotic armor is a tool available to that class and only that class. That tool impacts your decision on what class to pick and how best to play it.
As an (atrocious) example: if bungie released an exotic that granted self revive instantly after every death to titans, people would be more likely to play as a titan because of that tool that is only available to them.
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Equality of powers
[spoiler]the abilities listed above are not a perfect one to one relation. Titan's overshield occurs on kill and the warlock gets theirs on hit. A titan's overshield generates orbs, regenerates, or improves weapon handling. A warlock's overshield does none of those things.
The abilities also use different aspects of a given class. Self revive requires a super and shadestep/shoulder charge don't even use up a standard melee or grenade.
I'll admit i honestly don't care about either of these points. An overshield is an overshield regardless of how it got there or what extra things it might be capable of. As far as i'm concerned a unique ability is worth mentioning regardless of its source.
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No one needs anything new
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Blink sucks
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Plese add TL;DR. Too many words
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Agreed.
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Self revive is the only super you mentioned, so that's not a fair comparison. I think one subclass each should have an evade of some kind. Obviously not sunsinger, and not voidwalker since they have blink. But adding it to stormcaller would just be too much. Maybe a fourth class some other day. Titans could have it on defender. I'd be okay with that. Twilight Garrison is not a subclass evade, it is linked to the exotic armor. Evade on a Titan could be a sideways dash from boosters just like TG. Would make sense lore-wise, since they shouldn't be able to learn something like that. But they could build it easy. I think melees are pretty balanced. Shoulder charge is a tad too OP with its tracking. But hunters long melee (knife and smoke) equal flame shield and shoulder charge, in my opinion. Stormcaller melee range is way too much. As it stands, I think the classes are all pretty well balanced, with just a couple small tweaks needed.
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[quote]Can we try and keep that dynamic so the classes remain interesting and not 3 identical clones.[/quote]
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Edited by Jackalope721: 5/5/2016 4:53:03 PMThen why do hunters nerf other classes "unique" abilities rendering us useless? My super is four grenades now. That's it. Look at Titans aside from the occasional bubble they can't do anything in raids!
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Warlocks have an over shield as well.
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I agree. Each class has an advantage, that's why we use a certain class. If the classes are the same, then why bother have three classes if they are basically the same. Keep the advantage of each class, that's what makes a class fun.
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Edited by Jor25: 5/5/2016 6:48:24 PM[quote]Can we please stop using the argument, "Titans are tanks." For real, Overwatch has tank characters, but tank characters all have: [b]High health, Low Mobility, Large Hitboxes.[/b] Nothing about this applies to the Titan. It is "supposed" to be that way but it just isn't. Everybody has almost the same exact amount of health, the same hitbox, and Titans have the most speed. Nothing about that classifies them as a tank. The same goes for other classes, the hunter isn't built for "Offense specifically" but instead is built to do it all. Stop trying to say that each class has a specific role when each class has the same role with different abilities.[/quote]
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Your logic is a bit flawed mainly because your comparisons are inaccurate. Titans don't have evade, they have an exotic that grants mid air movement but that's not a class ability like evade in nightstalker. They also don't have an overshield melee equal to sunsinger which is granted an overshield for simply hitting an enemy with a ranged melee, when a defender Titan has to land a melee kill with the shortest ranged weakest melee abilities in the game to get one. People will say Titan has shoulder charge but don't forget blink strike tracks as well just not as far and isn't a one hit kill. All of the characters are unbalanced and warlocks are very lopsided because of the perks and abilities and armors that can be combined. This game will never be balanced and that's why it's pointless to get worked up about competitive game modes because there's no true competition with such unbalanced abilities and mechanics.
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I think everyone should not cry for nerfs. No class needs something new/taken away. The people asking for nerfs are often people who aren't using there class correctly. For example If you're a hunter, you shouldn't be charging in a punching everyone. Maybe you can do that with shade step though, and that's also great for sniping. Things like this.
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Self revive is the super .. What's the other warlord perk?
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Remove blink and shadestep. [spoiler]I main a hunter.[/spoiler]
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Shoulder charge should not have a charge time right.
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Just wait till the day bungie decides to give titans a blink. Haha. The salt will cover the earth.
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I don't mind any character having blink/evade/shadestep, what does need addressed is the cooldown, especially for shadestep.
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I'd rather remove evades completely. Honestly they ruin the game. That's mostly all you see hunter's and warlocks running away. Titans just charge you lol
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We may not need blink, but we do need a super that can actually compete with stormtrance
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No one will be happy until there are no supers, we all can do the exact same thing, no abilities, we all have the exact same loadouts with weapons that do the exact same thing and do the exact same damage. But then...then people will complain because they're playing call of duty
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We do not need an evade. We are not the scrub pvp class, unlike Hunters. We are Warlocks. Forever shall we spread our wings and fly across Death's veil. #WarlockMasterRace
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Thrown melee should be listed under warlock, as well. You can snipe with that damn thing..
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Self-Resurrection is a super and energy drain is only useful in pve.
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Release Astrocyte Verse, then you've got a deal.
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We do however need more dipping sauces for our chicken nuggets!