OK, so remember that quite fun Vault of Glass raid that was out since vanilla? Yeah, quite fun indeed isn't it? While a great raid with interesting mechanics, there is, I have found, a HUGE plot hole. So the Vault was basically to imprison Atheon because he was deemed dangerous by the Vex, right? So we have to go kill him because the Vex won't do it themselves, but why? If they were unable to, that's understandable. But why were the Templar and all the other Vex trying to kill us? Wouldn't it be easier if we just killed Atheon so they didn't have to guard all that Vault and stuff? They could turn it into a factory or something to create millions of vex units. What do you guys think? Silly or legit?
TL;DR: Atheon was a prisoner of the vault, so why did the Templar and other geezers try to stop us from killing him? Wouldn't it be a favor?
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Atheon was not a prisoner where are you getting this from all the grimoir states that he runs the vault and is inportant to the vex. Also that either the vault created him or he created the vault
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This is killing me need help on vog story anyone?
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I am flawless, bitch
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Reading all of these responses/theories is great fun. Man, I love this stuff!
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What are you talking about? Atheon isn't a prisoner. He and the vault as a whole are the Vex's attempt at generating a throne-world and an ascendant being. He's a Vex hive-God knockoff. Not a prisoner in the slightest.
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[quote]So before anything else is said, you need a basic understating of the Vex goal. The Vex are searching for what they call "an emperor to all outcomes." This means they want to have something in place so that no matter what happens they have some kind of response that ultimately leads to a Vex victory. The Black Garden and the Vault of Glass are two such projects built to fulfill two separate victory conditions. Atheon was the Vex Axis Mind in charge of the Vault. The Vault is most likely the culmination of Vex efforts to understand and replicate a Hive Throne World based on what Quria, Blade Transform learned during his war with Oryx before being defeated. The Vex want to use the vault to establish themselves as a fundamental rule of existence. The Templar's Ritual of Negation and Oracles work because the Vex have established a level of control over the very nature of reality within the Vault. The Oracles are able to tag enemies and then the Templar uses the ritual to delete what the Oracles tag from existence. Put another way, the Oracles decide how the Vex want to change and shape reality and the Templar makes that reality so. The Gorgons are a similar but slightly different. Gorgons can both tag and delete, but they must physically see what they want to change while the Oracle-Templar combo do not. The Relic/Aegis was created by Kabr, the Titan who led the original failed raid of the vault. He built it by merging his dying light and what remained of his ghost with the body of a Gorgon he destroyed. This allows future Guardians to channel and use light to shape reality within the Vault with their light and the Vex can't destroy it because its made of a Gorgon. This is why the Relic can destroy the Templar's shield for example. The final area is the Glass Throne and is the seat of Atheon, Time's Conflux. All time bends around itself and meets in this place. Precursor, Descendent, and modern Vex all exist because the future, past, and present all exist here. The timegates in the room don't lead to "Mars" and "Venus" as most call it, but to past and future versions of the Vault. Two relics exist here for a short while because you pull one from a past version of the Vault and one from a future version of the Vault. Atheon teleports you to separate you so that you can be killed individually and because, as the blinding effects shows, guardians don't seem to do very well when pulled out of our time of origin. We are saved again by the Aegis because Kabr made it so it is a fundamental rule within the Vault. It exists in the past and future and we use it to pull ourselves back into the present. When we do so after being teleported it activates the "Time's Vengeance" effect. This cause all timelines to temporarily and partially merge. Your weapon does so much extra damage because for a brief time it isn't just your 6 man fireteam doing damage, but every guardian that ever has and ever will reach Atheon from every timeline coming together. I know I didn't hit all of your questions, but I hope this helps![/quote]
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Time travel is ALWAYS a plot hole device
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Edited by E-Sentinel: 4/24/2016 5:01:32 PM"Atheon, Time's Conflux" A conflux is a prison. "Time's Vengeance" Atheon being attacked with the power of every gaurdian to ever fight him. Atheon basically captured and abused the principle of time itself. Atheon created the Vault and The Vault created Atheon (endless loop) Atheons goal is to let the Vex have the power they have the inside the Vault everywhere in the universe.
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Edited by AnonPig: 4/23/2016 8:51:51 PM....well you start off wrong so.... Atheon isn't a prisoner. Now that I have a moment let me explain a little bit. The Vault of Glass is how the Vex want the universe to be, a construct where they have ultimate power. It's unknown if Atheon created the Vault or if the Vault created Atheon, but it's because of this that i believe this is a temporal causality loop. Essentially... the Vault was created by Atheon so that the Vault could create Atheon to create the Vault so that.... (this goes on infinitely) While I'm here, no Atheon's not against the Black Heart. The Garden was actually the Vex's attempt to further the power of the Vault into all reality. Yes i know "but his name!" Yea yea that means something more interesting actually. Atheon is derived of atheist, and eon, it's not that he doesn't believe in the Black Heart. He doesn't believe in time.
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For all the love VoG gets here, including from me, the story is definitely the weakest and most random of the raid stories.
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Maybe the Templar was loyal to Atheon. Maybe he too was a prisoner.
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How do you guys feel about the name Banana Butt Farm?
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Okay, I've heard a lot of theories here purported as fact. I'm going to write down all the things from the Grimoire related to the Vault's origin, not random speculation. 1) The Vault is almost certainly a Vex attempt to simulate Oryx's throne world. In the Books of Sorrow, a Vex unit called Quria gathers huge amounts of data from the throne world and sends it to the "greater Vex", before being Taken. He states that it will be necessary, as there will be "projects" in study of this "throne-space". E.g the VoG. Given the Vex connection to the Hive and the similarities between VoG and KF, this theory is almost certainly confirmed. 2) Atheon was either created by the Vault or he created the Vault. This itself is stated in his Grimoire card. No one actually knows which came first. It may be neither, given the Vex relationship with time. 3) Atheon and the Vault were working with the Black Garden and other Vex factions. We know from the Black Garden Grimoire that the Vex were initiating a "colossal project" using the Heart, but it wasn't yet powerful enough. This same project is referenced in Atheon's Grimoire, with Atheon described as the "command nexus, uniting efforts across time." This makes sense given that he is "Time's Conflux", and regulates the Conflux system. So the Vex in the Vault were working with the Black Garden on an unknown project that would probably have resulted in humanity's destruction, if we hadn't purged both places. That much is certain.
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Edited by TrolleyProblem: 4/23/2016 5:35:24 PMNo... It wasn't. The vex of the progeny found the garden, and by extension found the black heart. It's overwhelming power left them with only one action they could process. To worship it. By worshiping the black heart; the vex in this timeline would become transcendent like they have in so many others (there is no other version of the black heart in any other dimension or timeline founded by the vex. That's what makes it so precious.) However atheon didn't approve of this. So he fabricated the vault. (And in another timeline, the vault fabricated him). The vault is a tie between all dimensions and timelines the vex have touched. (And because of this, there is more than one atheon/vault). In the vault, atheon went through many experiments to attempt to bring the vex's paracausal and ontological power outside a controlled environment. (This would mean all the power the oracles, templar, and atheon have inside the vault-erasing things from ever existing- would occur in our dimension/timeline and many others). The vault is no prison for the vex. It is a way to augment their abilities of altering realities simply by thinking. And is another one of the dimensions they completely control The reason we (along with Osiris, and kabr's fire team before us) wanted to stop was due to the fact that if atheon were to obtain the information needed, the vex could use their ontological abilities at max power outside the vault. This would mean all they see imperfect would no longer exist and never exist in the first place. Luckily however; with kabr becoming the aegis (something unable to be erased), praedyth becoming an anomaly, and our/the fallen's/ cabal meddling; we have avoided this outcome in our timeline... For now
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I don't have time to explain why I don't have time to explain.
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Nah fam, Atheon isn't a prisoner of the vault. We don't know if the Vault or Atheon came first according to grimoire. Now Kabr on the other hand...
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There was a plot?
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People say "updating the raid will ruin the story/plot". Yeah, the story/plot are so broken it's sad.
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The entire game has endless plot holes.
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Was the Atheon we fought in the current time line? He might be one of an infinite number of Atheons.
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The vex in the black garden send data to the vault of glass in order to develop weapons, like the oracles that can erase anyone from existence. The vault of glass is a research facility for the vex to develop those weapons. Atheon is the vex unit receiving this data, not only from our timeline but from other timelines as well. So we venture into the vault to kill it and halt the development of their weapons
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Can't tell if serious about this or not. Its wrong on so many levels...
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This [i][u]has[/u][/i] to be a joke. Right?
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The Vault isn't a prison. Atheon is the Axis Mind in charge of all the Vex in and around the Vault. The Vault is the culmination of Vex efforts towards a single victory condition in their endless quest to find "an emperor to all outcomes."
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The Vault isn't a prison. It's a Vex simulation of Oryx's throne realm and a convenient place to keep the orchestrator of their scheme to take over the universe using ontological power.
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at no point in the lore is it stated that atheon is a prisoner. the vault of glass is an area that does not exist in our plane of time or space and the reason why its so dangerous is because the vex want to use it to rewrite time and make it so that guardians never existed since they cant calculate them and pose the biggest threat. (please don't quote me on this if I'm wrong.)