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4/23/2016 3:39:24 AM
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Alright so in all seriousness, in this context it would be okay to sexualize a Victoria's Secret model because you go in knowing the whole point is being sexual? Im I right or am I missing something?
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Sort of, though the argument could also be made that VS uses sexualization of women as a marketing strategy, which contributes to the overall culture of over-sexualization of women as a society. Prince was just one guy expressing himself. It's apples to oranges, really.
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So if some girl in NYC pulls her top off (which is legal in Ny if not for commercial use), then is it fine to "oogle" (idk) because that was the whole point of doing so in the first place?
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Um, no. Breasts are not sex organs, they are not inherently sexual. Women should be able to walk around topless without being objectified and sexualized, just like men already can. Breasts are sacks of fat for feeding babies.
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But it's not okay when attractive women both in real life and fiction) want to display their tits for attention and personal empowerment? Because then I guess it's mysoginy somehow.
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No they shouldn't be allowed their tops off. Everyone should keep their tops on. Noone wants to see your saggy titties.
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I love you.
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Edited by AurumPrimavera22: 4/24/2016 6:38:38 AM[quote]No they shouldn't be allowed their tops off. Everyone should keep their tops on. Noone wants to see your saggy titties.[/quote] [i]Grandma, no![/i]
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[quote][quote]No they shouldn't be allowed their tops off. Everyone should keep their tops on. Noone wants to see your saggy titties.[/quote] [i]Grandma, no![/i][/quote]
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Ummm yes they are.
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But it's ok to oogle at topless men at the beach. You're officially insane.
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Ah and there it is, double think.
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Got news for you kiddo, men that walk around topless are sexualised and objectified.
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Oh yeah? How many times have you had someone walk up to you and try to grab your chest? Hell, I don't even have to be topless for that. It's happened to me when I'm wearing a -blam!-ing winter coat.
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Don't flatter yourself
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Extreme doubt
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Many times, women gawk at topless men just as much as men gawk at topless women. If it wasn't true shit like magic mike wouldn't exist. Women aren't special in this regard, even though they pretend they are.
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There's really not much to grab on a dude's chest, even if they have man tits (which I doubt any sane person would want to grab).
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The point -------------------------------------> Your head
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So, because you don't look at men's chest sexually you think that men are going to do the same if women walk around with no bra? It wouldn't really help with the whole "objectifying" thing since it is natural for men to find female breasts attractive (unless gay).
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Um, no, it's isn't natural. Breasts aren't inherently sexual. They're sacks of fat for feeding babies. They have no sexual purpose whatsoever. They're only sexualized because of social conditioning. Women in Africa are topless all the time and aren't sexualized because those people aren't socially conditioned to sexualize breasts. And I don't even have to be topless for men to objectify me. I can be wearing a -blam!-ing parka and men will still make gross comments. It's a culture of male dominance and entitlement, it has nothing to do with how we're dressed.
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That's factually incorrect. Breasts are classified as secondary sex characteristics. What are secondary sex characteristics? [quote]Secondary sex characteristics are features that appear at sexual maturity in animals and during puberty in humans, especially the sexually dimorphic phenotypic traits that distinguish the sexes of a species, but that, unlike the sex organs, are not directly part of the reproductive system. They are believed to be the product of sexual selection for traits which display fitness, giving an individual an advantage over its rivals in courtship and aggressive interactions. They are distinguished from the primary sex characteristics — the sex organs — which are directly necessary for sexual reproduction to occur.[/quote] While not inherently needed for sexual reproduction, they act as an attractive force for the opposite sex. But hey, what am I doing? Responding to a feminist with facts? Everybody knows that's their worst fear.
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In parts of Africa it is part of the adopted culture for women to be topless. It is normal there. I can assure you that the moment women [i]here[/i] start walking around topless, you will have a problem. Do you really expect the people of America to just all of a sudden [b]not[/b] find naked breasts attractive? Women will still looked at sexually by men, especially if they aren't wearing a top. You are correct that breasts are simply sacks of fat, meant for nourishment, but I can guarantee that that fact will not change the way men look at them. There are some very slimy people out there who will take advantage of you being topless. I don't believe that it would be a good idea to try to change the thought patterns of an entire culture on the basis of, "Because I said so". I just can't see this idea playing out well in the real world.
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So you're basically admitting that a lot of men are creeps who sexualize and objectify women inappropriately. This is one of feminism's goals. Education. Educating people to create a culture where women (and men) are free from sexualization and objectification without consent.
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No, feminism's goal is domination and suppression. Then, after achieving that by labeling everything evil, they go to superiority, gendercide (genocide with genders) and oppression Remember the male concentration camp?
