You're really good at bringing up things we've already addressed, many times, further down the thread. As I have personally said before, and others has chimed in, I couldn't possibly care less if there is a men's only clan. Dads of Destiny at least started that way, and I've got no beef with them. They've a right to their own group mission and to set their own eligibility criteria just like we do. The only people who seem to think we would react in the manner you described are folks like you who post to stir things up. Not interested.