So which one? Share your story why is you want I enjoy reading those but the main point is this apparent lack of attention to PVE players. Now I'm not saying that they don't care at all but its damn obvious that PVE players are #2 on their list. The MIDA nerf was minor but completely unneeded. Yes it was strong in crucible but it always has been. Now that everything else around it was nerfed its strength was able to shine and no it doesn't have a ridiculous ttk and its not OP. But now the only benefit to using it in PVE is the extra speed and it's ability to make cabal flinch and help with those stupid shields is gone. And this is coming from a person that HATES the MIDA. [spoiler]secretly glad it got nerfed so I don't have to hear a peashooter going off a million times in every crucible match [/spoiler] The special ammo nerf was eh. In 80% of situations it won't matter because you'll be able to go get that special ammo box over yonder. But those situations like warpriest or espcially VoG oracles/atheon it's really gonna suck. Not a fan of this update but we'll get used to it and it will help balance PVP. Yea TLW and thorn are even more useless in PVE but lets be honest. If you're using them PVE you're and idiot or just messing around. TLW sucks in PVE and thorns dot is not worth it in PVE. Idc if you think otherwise If I missed something let me know and tell me why it affects PVE and I'll add it but thats all on the top of my head. But really why did you buy this game?