All year one people bitched and whined about shotguns and how they took "No skill", but now that snipers are ruling Crucible no one wants Bungie to take that crutch away? How -blam!-ing hypocritical do you have to be, honestly, to think on weapon type requires more skill than another?
"B-but anyone can use a shotgun all you have to do is point and shoot"
Oh you mean that I don't have to get in close and stand at near the damn edge of the map and get kills with shotgun. Holy -blam!-ing shit I must have been using them wrong. Oh as for the logic of anyone can use them, why the -blam!- can everyone use a sniper? Why does everyone act like it's so -blam!-ing hard to use these things?
"W-well obviously people were complaining about things like found verdict, Felwinter's lie, and Matador"
Oh you mean like everyone is and has been complaining 1000-yard stare? Defiance of Yasmine? Just gonna ignore that are we? Because those are the snipers everyone is using right now and have had the most complaints.
"B-but shotgun were obviously broken messes, they needed to be reworked"
And sniping doesn't? When the reticle doesn't work like the rest of the -blam!-ing weapons and allows you to get a head shot? Seriously, go use any other weapon in the game and let me know which one still hit where the reticle was pointing instead of its current position. They may not be OP but they sure as hell need a looking at.
"But it must take skill because you don't see people going unbroken/getting really high kill streaks that often with snipers"
You didn't see many -blam!-ing people that went unbroken with a -blam!-ing shot gun or fusion rifle either. Most of the times when they did they used their primaries and other abilities to help them reach those milestones. Same goes for snipers.
"You're just bad and you need to adapt to the Meta"
Oh you mean like how everyone didn't adapt to shotgun/fusion rifles or any other meta?
This is what I -blam!-ing hate about the community, you people are so goddamn scared of losing the weapons that you rely to heavily on to think -blam!-ing clearly and act like giant -blam!-ing hypocrites when anyone encroaches on your weapon's territory.
You all don't want balance in this game, you want your weapons to be the best and everyone else's weapons to be a big old steaming pile. You hoot and hollar about adapting, and certain weapon being unskilled, but yet half of you couldn't use a shotgun or fusion rifle to save your life and you never even tried to get better with them.
Oh well, have fun "Adapting" to the new sniper changes coming on the 12th, I will enjoy watching you baddies struggle to get kills.
Edit: To all the people pointing out my stats, good job, you found out at least enough to know that I haven't played [b]ON PLAYSTATION CONSOLES[/b] in a long time.
To the people that are thinking that I am salty about getting killed with sniper rounds. Nah, that isn't what pisses me off. What pisses me off is you kids want shit on other weapons, but when someone starts dumping on snipers it "OH NO DON'T NERF MY SNIPERS, THEY ARE THE PERFECTS AND MOST BALANCE RIGHT NOW".
Complain all for the first year about fusion rifles and shotguns ,that people legitimately loved using, some not even because they were the meta weapons, but when someone does the same to snipers suddenly they are noobs that can't "adapt?". Yet your unskilled asses couldn't quit bitching and adapt to those weapons?
What pisses me off is you are being -blam!-ing hypocrites about the weapons.
What's hilarious is the people in the comments proving my point about this as well, just look at how many people didn't read and just went for the insults. All they saw was someone saying something about snipers and went ape shit over it.
Edit 2: Maybe I should start a fund for the illiterate and those that are failing with reading comprehension because either people can't read or choose to ignore the point.
The point I was trying to make was that people using snipers say it takes skill to use, but yet every match people are using them often and well enough to dictate that the skill bar for these weapons is set quite low.
To be great with them, yes it does take skill, but so does using a shotgun or a fusion rifle, but yet for all of year one and parts of year 2 people still continued to whine about them without thinking "hmm why are these weapons considered OP?". Look at most the maps on this -blam!-ing game, they are built for short to mid encounters. Couple that with the fact that Bungie thinks [b]SPECIAL[/b] ammo needs to be given out like candy and of course these weapons are going to be overused, they were the best for those situations.
As for the children saying "Oh he's a shotgunner" "Lol he mad that he can't use a sniper and get killed with them", congrats you are the people I keep referring to, that constantly defend a broken system and again demonstrate my point that when it comes to your weapons they are fine and balanced, but everything is broken, cheap mess that needs to be nerfed.
For those that think I can't use a sniper, congrats on being judgemental morons. Been using the TAO HUA YUAN (with ambush scope I might add) and Omolon Uzume quite easily and they have much lower AA than 1000-yard and Defiance.
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Edited by Darches: 4/2/2016 4:24:53 PM[b]Sniper:[/b] Must have great aim (unless you bodyshot because snipers are OP) [b]Shotgun:[/b] Must have great aim and get close (hope you can dodge bullets from top tier primary's like TLW, MIDA, Doctrine/Arminius, snipers) Shotgun reticle to body is no different than sniper reticle to head, when you think about it. Shotguns were never low skill weapons. They feel the same to me. But right now snipers > shotguns. Because of the forums incessant nerfs I've had to take up the sniper, and I'm now even more scary in the crucible.
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There a has never been a nerf to snipers....oh, but it is coming.
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Edited by GOAT Spartan: 4/2/2016 8:32:10 PMIt is what it is
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TLDR - he is salty about getting owned by snipers!
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You have 3 faces?
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[quote]My face when someone says sniping takes skill[/quote] Hold on, you mean to tell me! That in all of that, when you hear that sniping takes skill..... you gain two extra heads?
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The same campsniper special snowflakes don't want reforging either...you know, balance. When everyone can get god rolls it's no longer fun for the special, special snowflakes. The hypocrisy is hilarious tho..."adapt to the meta"...when the meta was shotguns and autos the didn't seem to adapt well...didn't want to get dirty. Now that they feel comfy cozy with 1KYS at the back of the map we should adapt...hilarious.
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Tl:dr; Sniping takes skill... y'all are just shit. And shot gunning in year 1 was broken and OP af
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You seem pretty salty bro. Just woosaaaa and relax. Yes, sniping takes skill, and no, they do not need a nerf. That is all.
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I have never seen anyone with atleast 1.8+ kd and atleast 4600 grimoire complain and bitch about snipers none stop. It's usually only the noobs who don't know how to just play the damn game and take getting out sniped.
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I'll play IB and my ENTIRE TEAM camps in the spawn with snipers while the entire other team captures all the zones.
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Your face
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Idk why people take Destiny PvP so serious I don't think it was ever meant to be competitive
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I love how people defend snipers so much. The proof is in crucible itself. Someone is just outside fusion rifle range and theyll just pull out their sniper rifle. Like seriously, you couldnt use your primary? You switched to your sniper because youre dependent on it and you know it. Im not ragging in those FEW who are far back and push forward and then switch to primary once theyre within range for their primary but those are the rare few. And seeing the k.d's at the end of the game show no difference at all when those people rely on their snipers. They just die like the rest of the people even though they could have prevented it by using a primary.
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Edited by razordude: 4/2/2016 7:59:08 PMThe problem isn't snipers - the problem is that MIDA is the most effective counter, so it's all you see as a primary. I got beaten in a one-on-one by mida today - I was 10 feet away and was using Havoc Pigeon. A primary which can counter snipers and is effective at sidearm/fusion range. Yep, I hate to say it but we need to take a look at MIDA. I like the idea from PD podcast - snipers should descope when they take a headshot, unless they have the unflinching perk.
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Aim Assist really doesn't do a whole lot.
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Haha he's so mad. Shotguns were 10x more op and a bigger crutch than snipers ever have been. If they don't take skill, then use them and kill everyone
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People complain about Defiance of Yasmin??? I've literally never heard anyone say it was an OP weapon
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Reported for bitching
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Going to say that getting a sniper headshot is harder than spraying some guy who's close to me. If you're moving, it's such a small target and painful to manage a close range kill (for myself at least.) A shotgun on the other hand, cannot be supported by "they used primaries," because well, snipers have to use primaries too. But getting that sniper kill is harder than winding up close enough to Felwinter's Lie some poor kid from a mile away.
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This is why I use fusions. No one can really complain about me. I'm decent at sniping and shot gunning. Can also do decent with sidearms. As of patch 2.1 I would argue that shotguns do take a decent amount of skill. It is actually pretty difficult at times to outmaneuver enemies and close distances. Fusions at this point take the most skill, sidearms being second. Only things I see wrong with snipers right now, are the handling speed and lack of flinch. Quicks scopes shouldn't be possible, and you shouldn't be able to nail someone continuously in the head with an auto rifle, only to get headshotted.
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Level 22, hunter with 19H gameplay. You have no rights to talk
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Didn't even read the post. Seeing the JoJo gif was all it took for me to agree.
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The game is not balanced if you can look at trials stats for the weekend and every weapon doesn't have within a few percentage of total kills of each other ex. ~10-20% kills per weapon type (heavies don't count, only counting pulse rifles, scout rifles, auto rifles, handcannons, fusion rifle, shotgun, sniper) then if you can't look at it and the stats add up like that then it isn't balanced
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Landing a headshot with a sniper is much harder then blink, slide, shotgun...I ran shotgun constantly in year one, got 49 kills in iron banner with found verdict, much easier than sniping...
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Are you suggesting that snipers and only snipers have bullet magnetism? Because snipers are the only guns without bullet magnetism