All year one people bitched and whined about shotguns and how they took "No skill", but now that snipers are ruling Crucible no one wants Bungie to take that crutch away? How -blam!-ing hypocritical do you have to be, honestly, to think on weapon type requires more skill than another?
"B-but anyone can use a shotgun all you have to do is point and shoot"
Oh you mean that I don't have to get in close and stand at near the damn edge of the map and get kills with shotgun. Holy -blam!-ing shit I must have been using them wrong. Oh as for the logic of anyone can use them, why the -blam!- can everyone use a sniper? Why does everyone act like it's so -blam!-ing hard to use these things?
"W-well obviously people were complaining about things like found verdict, Felwinter's lie, and Matador"
Oh you mean like everyone is and has been complaining 1000-yard stare? Defiance of Yasmine? Just gonna ignore that are we? Because those are the snipers everyone is using right now and have had the most complaints.
"B-but shotgun were obviously broken messes, they needed to be reworked"
And sniping doesn't? When the reticle doesn't work like the rest of the -blam!-ing weapons and allows you to get a head shot? Seriously, go use any other weapon in the game and let me know which one still hit where the reticle was pointing instead of its current position. They may not be OP but they sure as hell need a looking at.
"But it must take skill because you don't see people going unbroken/getting really high kill streaks that often with snipers"
You didn't see many -blam!-ing people that went unbroken with a -blam!-ing shot gun or fusion rifle either. Most of the times when they did they used their primaries and other abilities to help them reach those milestones. Same goes for snipers.
"You're just bad and you need to adapt to the Meta"
Oh you mean like how everyone didn't adapt to shotgun/fusion rifles or any other meta?
This is what I -blam!-ing hate about the community, you people are so goddamn scared of losing the weapons that you rely to heavily on to think -blam!-ing clearly and act like giant -blam!-ing hypocrites when anyone encroaches on your weapon's territory.
You all don't want balance in this game, you want your weapons to be the best and everyone else's weapons to be a big old steaming pile. You hoot and hollar about adapting, and certain weapon being unskilled, but yet half of you couldn't use a shotgun or fusion rifle to save your life and you never even tried to get better with them.
Oh well, have fun "Adapting" to the new sniper changes coming on the 12th, I will enjoy watching you baddies struggle to get kills.
Edit: To all the people pointing out my stats, good job, you found out at least enough to know that I haven't played [b]ON PLAYSTATION CONSOLES[/b] in a long time.
To the people that are thinking that I am salty about getting killed with sniper rounds. Nah, that isn't what pisses me off. What pisses me off is you kids want shit on other weapons, but when someone starts dumping on snipers it "OH NO DON'T NERF MY SNIPERS, THEY ARE THE PERFECTS AND MOST BALANCE RIGHT NOW".
Complain all for the first year about fusion rifles and shotguns ,that people legitimately loved using, some not even because they were the meta weapons, but when someone does the same to snipers suddenly they are noobs that can't "adapt?". Yet your unskilled asses couldn't quit bitching and adapt to those weapons?
What pisses me off is you are being -blam!-ing hypocrites about the weapons.
What's hilarious is the people in the comments proving my point about this as well, just look at how many people didn't read and just went for the insults. All they saw was someone saying something about snipers and went ape shit over it.
Edit 2: Maybe I should start a fund for the illiterate and those that are failing with reading comprehension because either people can't read or choose to ignore the point.
The point I was trying to make was that people using snipers say it takes skill to use, but yet every match people are using them often and well enough to dictate that the skill bar for these weapons is set quite low.
To be great with them, yes it does take skill, but so does using a shotgun or a fusion rifle, but yet for all of year one and parts of year 2 people still continued to whine about them without thinking "hmm why are these weapons considered OP?". Look at most the maps on this -blam!-ing game, they are built for short to mid encounters. Couple that with the fact that Bungie thinks [b]SPECIAL[/b] ammo needs to be given out like candy and of course these weapons are going to be overused, they were the best for those situations.
As for the children saying "Oh he's a shotgunner" "Lol he mad that he can't use a sniper and get killed with them", congrats you are the people I keep referring to, that constantly defend a broken system and again demonstrate my point that when it comes to your weapons they are fine and balanced, but everything is broken, cheap mess that needs to be nerfed.
For those that think I can't use a sniper, congrats on being judgemental morons. Been using the TAO HUA YUAN (with ambush scope I might add) and Omolon Uzume quite easily and they have much lower AA than 1000-yard and Defiance.
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Why are you just now complaining about snipers considering they've stayed the same since the game launched. In fact, if I'm not mistaken, they've even had a reduction in aim assist in Year 2 as compared to Year 1. I guess it's because you didn't have a reason to considering how good a place shotguns were at. You must be under the false pretense that aim assist magically bends bullets which is totally not true. Aim assist merely allows for the scope to be centered on your target for a FRACTION of a second. As far as calling people hypocrites, you're in the same -blam!-ing boat! Here you are on the forums complaining about snipers in this elaborate post while in the same post complained about how others whined about shotguns! What a complete idiot. I just love how you point out how you're so sure that the majority of people who complained about shotguns probably couldn't even use one themselves when I know for damn sure that you could never do well using a sniper.
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This is 100% true lol
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...words don't express the scary shot in that image....
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I agree with you, and disagree with you. Yes, snipers are kinda overpowered. Just drop every sniper to 20 aa. The good snipers will adapt and the others will try something new. Everyone is going to complain no matter what. It's the kill time that's the problem. Special weapons can kill in an instance while primary can kill in seconds. I hate seeing people hate on snipers. I wish we could go back to the old meta where people looked up to good snipers. Now everyone hates them. The only way to prove that I am a good sniper is to use the hiercon. A white sniper with like no aim assist. Hopefully bungie will nerf snipers AA. People say it doesn't do much, but it actually does. You can tell the difference between a high AA sniper and a Low AA Sniper. Just nerf it and there will be no more excuses for people to complain about snipers.
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imo, bungie was right for how they've balanced the shot guns and it's true snipers need adjusting. imo they need to lower damage for body shots and cut the aim assist to make them more balanced.
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I don't think anyone complains about the defiance
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My main two issues with snipers are Body shots! You shouldn't get a kill with 2 body shots Also if it takes so much precision to use a sniper how come it's so easy to get a kill while getting shot! Maybe if you hit a sniper it should pull his head from his scope or have way more of a flinch. So many body shots!
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I use stillpiercer much harder to get a kill then 1kys
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You know Part Four came out last night?
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People complained about Felwinters lie and Found verdict More than anything else Once the House of wolfs came out every was happy because they finally were able to use a OP shotgun 1kys and defiance are annoying as -blam!- nobody is able to snipe me behind a wall but people who use 1kys do I the -blam!- do I get head while I shade step 1kys and defiance aim assist that's why no skill needed
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Liked because of Jojo.
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Umm too long to read, the problem with the game is not snipers. It's when bad people sometimes average players sit in long hallways or high spots and hardscope waiting for people to walk by them aiming at head level, making it a boring and slow game that makes me want to kill myself. Why do they do this? Because they are bad and can't get kills any other way. Why does it work? Because even if they hit a body shot with a high impact sniper the time to kill is lower than an primary. Trying to close the distance with a shotgun will get you killed as well. So in the end snipers think they are good because all other guns have been nerfed. That's why trials is AIDS and boring. Practically a dead game if you don't kill your opponent before special spawns which is what I usually do.
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Edited by XxSwampDad420xX: 4/3/2016 5:03:36 AMHonestly i think that if snipers could one shot off of a hit to the torso they would still be underpowered compared to other weapon types. Because of the extremely low max sensitivity in this game, a sniper is handicapped in any sort of close quarters or midrange engagement. It takes hundred of hours of training to start getting consistent headshots in a game with predominantly close quarters maps and a highly flexible movement system. Imo anyone can pick up a controller and go on a 5 kill streak shotgunning in close quarters, which requires no precision, only some basic evasion skill and an understanding of where the 1hKo dropoff range is. I've spent a lot of time sniping in various first person shooters like halo, battlefield, and the old cod games and it feels like destiny has mechanics in place specifically to make sniping as difficult as possible. The way turn accelleration works makes me think that bungie intended to limit the effectiveness of sniping in almost every situation except extreme long ranges.
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Damn, that's the same face I give when I snipe someone. What a coincidence.
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You're a -blam!-ing idiot. You're blind to the problem at hand. YOU are the reason sniping has become a problem! NERF NERF NERF! Shut the -blam!- up. If idiots like you hadn't nerfed every primary and special in the game besides snipers it wouldn't be a problem to risk clearing distance and challenging them. When snipers get nerfed, and nothing gets buffed, im deleting destiny and buying DS 2 and 3.
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And your point is…?
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Edited by Emurinus: 4/3/2016 6:40:06 AMExcuse me sir and/or mam, but you seem to be missing this TL;DR sign on the bottom (preferrably the top) of your page. And while we're on the topic of sniping, the biggest annoyance with the sniping issue is that for every non 1KYS sniper out there, there's 14 more using them. No major diversity as well. I like using the gun and all, but if it weren't for shit RNG then I'd be using another.
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TL;DR: OP is angry because he got rekt by snipers and thinks Bungie should nerf them.
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shotguns more skill wtf?
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I say they reduce the body shot damage when you get hit by a sniper its annoying when people do that and switch to primary to kill you.
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Defiance of Yasmin is fine lmao
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Said it before and I'll say it again,give us a "no snipers" crucible game and that's what I'll be playing.
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Lets be real here, it at least takes more skill than striker titan
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Please make a TL:DR
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snipers haven't changed since vanilla. people always find one thing new to complain about its insane. we get it man, you can't snipe and you're sick of getting sniped. get gud