All year one people bitched and whined about shotguns and how they took "No skill", but now that snipers are ruling Crucible no one wants Bungie to take that crutch away? How -blam!-ing hypocritical do you have to be, honestly, to think on weapon type requires more skill than another?
"B-but anyone can use a shotgun all you have to do is point and shoot"
Oh you mean that I don't have to get in close and stand at near the damn edge of the map and get kills with shotgun. Holy -blam!-ing shit I must have been using them wrong. Oh as for the logic of anyone can use them, why the -blam!- can everyone use a sniper? Why does everyone act like it's so -blam!-ing hard to use these things?
"W-well obviously people were complaining about things like found verdict, Felwinter's lie, and Matador"
Oh you mean like everyone is and has been complaining 1000-yard stare? Defiance of Yasmine? Just gonna ignore that are we? Because those are the snipers everyone is using right now and have had the most complaints.
"B-but shotgun were obviously broken messes, they needed to be reworked"
And sniping doesn't? When the reticle doesn't work like the rest of the -blam!-ing weapons and allows you to get a head shot? Seriously, go use any other weapon in the game and let me know which one still hit where the reticle was pointing instead of its current position. They may not be OP but they sure as hell need a looking at.
"But it must take skill because you don't see people going unbroken/getting really high kill streaks that often with snipers"
You didn't see many -blam!-ing people that went unbroken with a -blam!-ing shot gun or fusion rifle either. Most of the times when they did they used their primaries and other abilities to help them reach those milestones. Same goes for snipers.
"You're just bad and you need to adapt to the Meta"
Oh you mean like how everyone didn't adapt to shotgun/fusion rifles or any other meta?
This is what I -blam!-ing hate about the community, you people are so goddamn scared of losing the weapons that you rely to heavily on to think -blam!-ing clearly and act like giant -blam!-ing hypocrites when anyone encroaches on your weapon's territory.
You all don't want balance in this game, you want your weapons to be the best and everyone else's weapons to be a big old steaming pile. You hoot and hollar about adapting, and certain weapon being unskilled, but yet half of you couldn't use a shotgun or fusion rifle to save your life and you never even tried to get better with them.
Oh well, have fun "Adapting" to the new sniper changes coming on the 12th, I will enjoy watching you baddies struggle to get kills.
Edit: To all the people pointing out my stats, good job, you found out at least enough to know that I haven't played [b]ON PLAYSTATION CONSOLES[/b] in a long time.
To the people that are thinking that I am salty about getting killed with sniper rounds. Nah, that isn't what pisses me off. What pisses me off is you kids want shit on other weapons, but when someone starts dumping on snipers it "OH NO DON'T NERF MY SNIPERS, THEY ARE THE PERFECTS AND MOST BALANCE RIGHT NOW".
Complain all for the first year about fusion rifles and shotguns ,that people legitimately loved using, some not even because they were the meta weapons, but when someone does the same to snipers suddenly they are noobs that can't "adapt?". Yet your unskilled asses couldn't quit bitching and adapt to those weapons?
What pisses me off is you are being -blam!-ing hypocrites about the weapons.
What's hilarious is the people in the comments proving my point about this as well, just look at how many people didn't read and just went for the insults. All they saw was someone saying something about snipers and went ape shit over it.
Edit 2: Maybe I should start a fund for the illiterate and those that are failing with reading comprehension because either people can't read or choose to ignore the point.
The point I was trying to make was that people using snipers say it takes skill to use, but yet every match people are using them often and well enough to dictate that the skill bar for these weapons is set quite low.
To be great with them, yes it does take skill, but so does using a shotgun or a fusion rifle, but yet for all of year one and parts of year 2 people still continued to whine about them without thinking "hmm why are these weapons considered OP?". Look at most the maps on this -blam!-ing game, they are built for short to mid encounters. Couple that with the fact that Bungie thinks [b]SPECIAL[/b] ammo needs to be given out like candy and of course these weapons are going to be overused, they were the best for those situations.
As for the children saying "Oh he's a shotgunner" "Lol he mad that he can't use a sniper and get killed with them", congrats you are the people I keep referring to, that constantly defend a broken system and again demonstrate my point that when it comes to your weapons they are fine and balanced, but everything is broken, cheap mess that needs to be nerfed.
For those that think I can't use a sniper, congrats on being judgemental morons. Been using the TAO HUA YUAN (with ambush scope I might add) and Omolon Uzume quite easily and they have much lower AA than 1000-yard and Defiance.
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well said. Nice to see that other people share my opinion about snipers, and this says a lot of what I've been feeling recently. Crucible has been such a horrific place recently, that I'm genuinely afraid to go anywhere someone could be hardscoping. Which is a lot of places.
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Edited by [SiN]大き氷: 4/2/2016 4:34:20 PMYeah something needs done, funny it's always the abundance of power weapons during the game. However they deal with it I will be laughing. Mostly because I'll still be a good player with just my primary. That and also watching everyone's crutch be less and less reliable to them. Much like when shotgun range got nerfed. Having someone try to shoot me at a range that they are used to and it not working anymore is great when I turn around and kill them.
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My lovely friend I've been complaining to this topic since day one... The answer is "aim assist" I still don't get why developers think that everyone is half retarded and they have to help us like little babies to shoot, I took games like battlefield in which they put the option in which you actually can choose if you want that help or not. Knowing for the fact that most of the people playing the game will still use the aim assist, at least I could die gloriously knowing that I killed half of their team with my own skill. By the way yeah! It's not coincidence that everyone uses 100 YS you just have to point and shoot. Totally hate it.i am always trying different snipers and found one in which I really have to quick scope everyone and love it. The name is Aoife Rua D - Hakke. Snapshot and that stuff check it out its on my Titan c; good day
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Wait people have been complaining about my bb defiance of Yasmin?
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Im a sniper and I pull of slide no scopes and no scopes off revives in Trials. So lets say u r rushing a sniper with a Matador 64 and they snipe you. What do you think? Some people can do that and some can't. You just don't know what to do with someone who is better than you.
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Since sniping doesn't take skill, nothing in this game takes skill.
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Personally think body shots should be Nerfed, Snipers are i precision weapon and should only be effective if you are hitting precision shots. Also AA on the 1k stare is a bit silly.
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If primaries could get a buff in general, and a slight buff to shotguns and a [b]BIG [/b]nerf to fusion rifles, I think we'll all be fine.
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Only issue I have is close range sniping. Don't care about medium to long as that's what they are for.
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So much complaining....So much...complaining!
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Just take away aim assist, COD lets you.
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I've been unbroken [i]many[/i] times. Yes, I've done it with a fusion rifle. Yes, I've done it with a sniper. But... [spoiler]I've never done it with a shotgun... Know why? [i]SEE SPOILER BELOW[/i][/spoiler] [spoiler]Shotguns are for scrubs, that's why.[/spoiler] [spoiler]Just kidding, I've been unbroken with a shotgun.[/spoiler]
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I would gladly use a fusion rifle if it shot more then blanks.
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For all those snipers that camp in the back of the map. Bungie should teleport them for staying in one place for too long. Like in POE, except they should be teleported right in front of a party crasher. LOL
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Bring back efrideets is my wish lol
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I think you can be skilled with any weapon in this game if you practice enough with it. I've only just started to really bring snipers with me into crucibles, always preferred the shotgun as my second. With the limited use snipers have seen in my PvP load outs I'd say head shots defiantly take some skill; using any old sniper as a finisher after your team mates bring down a shield well that's just good for the team, skill or no.
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I have a controversial idea. Buff Fusion Rifles and Hand Cannons. Balance is achieved when everything has a counter, not when everything is worthless. You don't counter rock by making it too weak to crush scissors, you counter it by making sure paper is strong enough to beat it.
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There is nothing in this game deadlier than an aggressive sniper with skill. Skill as in running around all over the map, rushing the enemy, and quickscoping the shit out of everybody.
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I agree, everyone whines about the shotguns.. Year one i could do well with a shotgun, now all i need to do is strap on my thousand yard and last word and jack it in a corner. my biggest complaint w/ destiny is the damned sprint bs. i start to sprint, 2 seconds later i cant sprint anymore, then i die and i cant sprint for 3 seconds. How does someone who uses LIGHT to kill enemies not able to sprint for 20 seconds?
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I did not read what you put down but it shows you never played pvp b4. You don't have a pvp kd to start with?!
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Sniping foes take skill and not everyone can do it
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I use both And I can honestly say a shotgun is a lot easier to use than a sniper
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Snipers always ruled the crucible. People just redirected their rage from felwinter's lie to 1000 yard stare.
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I guarantee you that if snipers get nerfed good players will adapt and still wreck you. You're just salty you have no thumbs and suck at the game.
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Can I just point out that snipers have not been buffed since the shotty meta...
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any type of gun requires skill but you cant really compare snipers and shotguns they both at completely different ends of the spectrum