All year one people bitched and whined about shotguns and how they took "No skill", but now that snipers are ruling Crucible no one wants Bungie to take that crutch away? How -blam!-ing hypocritical do you have to be, honestly, to think on weapon type requires more skill than another?
"B-but anyone can use a shotgun all you have to do is point and shoot"
Oh you mean that I don't have to get in close and stand at near the damn edge of the map and get kills with shotgun. Holy -blam!-ing shit I must have been using them wrong. Oh as for the logic of anyone can use them, why the -blam!- can everyone use a sniper? Why does everyone act like it's so -blam!-ing hard to use these things?
"W-well obviously people were complaining about things like found verdict, Felwinter's lie, and Matador"
Oh you mean like everyone is and has been complaining 1000-yard stare? Defiance of Yasmine? Just gonna ignore that are we? Because those are the snipers everyone is using right now and have had the most complaints.
"B-but shotgun were obviously broken messes, they needed to be reworked"
And sniping doesn't? When the reticle doesn't work like the rest of the -blam!-ing weapons and allows you to get a head shot? Seriously, go use any other weapon in the game and let me know which one still hit where the reticle was pointing instead of its current position. They may not be OP but they sure as hell need a looking at.
"But it must take skill because you don't see people going unbroken/getting really high kill streaks that often with snipers"
You didn't see many -blam!-ing people that went unbroken with a -blam!-ing shot gun or fusion rifle either. Most of the times when they did they used their primaries and other abilities to help them reach those milestones. Same goes for snipers.
"You're just bad and you need to adapt to the Meta"
Oh you mean like how everyone didn't adapt to shotgun/fusion rifles or any other meta?
This is what I -blam!-ing hate about the community, you people are so goddamn scared of losing the weapons that you rely to heavily on to think -blam!-ing clearly and act like giant -blam!-ing hypocrites when anyone encroaches on your weapon's territory.
You all don't want balance in this game, you want your weapons to be the best and everyone else's weapons to be a big old steaming pile. You hoot and hollar about adapting, and certain weapon being unskilled, but yet half of you couldn't use a shotgun or fusion rifle to save your life and you never even tried to get better with them.
Oh well, have fun "Adapting" to the new sniper changes coming on the 12th, I will enjoy watching you baddies struggle to get kills.
Edit: To all the people pointing out my stats, good job, you found out at least enough to know that I haven't played [b]ON PLAYSTATION CONSOLES[/b] in a long time.
To the people that are thinking that I am salty about getting killed with sniper rounds. Nah, that isn't what pisses me off. What pisses me off is you kids want shit on other weapons, but when someone starts dumping on snipers it "OH NO DON'T NERF MY SNIPERS, THEY ARE THE PERFECTS AND MOST BALANCE RIGHT NOW".
Complain all for the first year about fusion rifles and shotguns ,that people legitimately loved using, some not even because they were the meta weapons, but when someone does the same to snipers suddenly they are noobs that can't "adapt?". Yet your unskilled asses couldn't quit bitching and adapt to those weapons?
What pisses me off is you are being -blam!-ing hypocrites about the weapons.
What's hilarious is the people in the comments proving my point about this as well, just look at how many people didn't read and just went for the insults. All they saw was someone saying something about snipers and went ape shit over it.
Edit 2: Maybe I should start a fund for the illiterate and those that are failing with reading comprehension because either people can't read or choose to ignore the point.
The point I was trying to make was that people using snipers say it takes skill to use, but yet every match people are using them often and well enough to dictate that the skill bar for these weapons is set quite low.
To be great with them, yes it does take skill, but so does using a shotgun or a fusion rifle, but yet for all of year one and parts of year 2 people still continued to whine about them without thinking "hmm why are these weapons considered OP?". Look at most the maps on this -blam!-ing game, they are built for short to mid encounters. Couple that with the fact that Bungie thinks [b]SPECIAL[/b] ammo needs to be given out like candy and of course these weapons are going to be overused, they were the best for those situations.
As for the children saying "Oh he's a shotgunner" "Lol he mad that he can't use a sniper and get killed with them", congrats you are the people I keep referring to, that constantly defend a broken system and again demonstrate my point that when it comes to your weapons they are fine and balanced, but everything is broken, cheap mess that needs to be nerfed.
For those that think I can't use a sniper, congrats on being judgemental morons. Been using the TAO HUA YUAN (with ambush scope I might add) and Omolon Uzume quite easily and they have much lower AA than 1000-yard and Defiance.
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I actually went unbroken on ps4 with vex and felwinters i while back when they WERE broken.
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You complain too much
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Edited by LeG3NdArYPhiL: 4/2/2016 6:08:23 PMThe difference between how shitguns *whoops* were and how snipers are now is that people would only use a shotgun the whole game. That's it. With snipers you can't go the whole game as only switch to your primary once or twice.
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The problem isnt that snipers take no skill. But the way they are designed you can use a sniper at any range. They arent being used as just snipers they are all around guns. If they were to get a nerf the best one would be less damage at close range.
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bump 4 the truth
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Edited by Dona: 4/2/2016 5:59:49 PMSniping gets easy as you practice, just like any other weapons. And maybe that's why the number of snipers has grown in numbers. But not all of them can snipe that good, some are godly tho. It's so easy to them that it's almost like aiming a primary.
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"*snort* what you guys are saying just proves my point! You all just insult me!" Maybe it's because shotguns weren't working as intended, and snipers are? And that's why shotguns have reviewed 3 nerfs so far and snipers haven't directly gotten one? In a game where it is extremely easy to close the gap on enemies and avoid incoming fire, snipers do take skill and are working as intended. If they were slow and heavy to use, they wouldn't be a viable option.
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Shotties / Thorn = Year One. Snipers / Last Word = Year Two. Now stop crying.
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I came here expecting a pile of poop for a post. I was served with a freaking Wall of crap. #Disapoint
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I'm not reading all of that but I think sniping takes skill. Or experience. I can usually handle people who I've played more than whereas I get handled by people who play more than I do
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Snipers aren't overpowered, there's plenty of flinch. In year 1 Flawless was a joke for me because of shotguns, just ran a Party Crasher and went there with no skill needed. Sniping at least requires you to aim. And the people that dome you at close range? They're just good, you can nerf the gun, but you will never nerf the player. Your typical sniper will have to hardscope to get kills, and if you get killed by a hard scoper, that's your fault.
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For those who don't want to read the OP'swall of text, see below for a summary. TL;DR Tears. ;-(
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How would you nerf snipers, then?
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Shotgun range was pretty insane prior to some of the nerfs. Combine that with how blink used to be coupled with Hunter's capability to immediately ready the weapon, it was broken. Simply put.
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Its only annoying to ME when an entire team of 6 are hardscoping every single hallway lol besides that I am fine with snipers
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If Bungie implemented descoping like in previous halo games, all would be good.
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Its not really that bad. Stop exaggerating how 'OP' Snipers are. Its not snipers just other arcatypes of weapons that are underpowered. Mhmhm fusion rifles
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The Snipers have no argument, they just sling insults because they know it's true. I agree with you whole heartedly.
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They all look like they're fapping at us.
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Anime is weird
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OP has one lvl 22 character with no crucible history...
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t r i g g e r e d
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Most of my unbroken metals are with shotguns actually.
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You have a level 22 hunter and no crucible stats, your point is invalid
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OP has 1145 grimoire and lvl22 hunter. Point invalid
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well said. Nice to see that other people share my opinion about snipers, and this says a lot of what I've been feeling recently. Crucible has been such a horrific place recently, that I'm genuinely afraid to go anywhere someone could be hardscoping. Which is a lot of places.