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Edited by FoMan123: 3/20/2016 11:19:38 AM
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Why the Fight For LGBT Rights Didn't End With Marriage Equality

I'm seeing a lot of severely misinformed people around here who think that because same-sex marriage was finally legalized, that suddenly all of the struggles of the LGBT community are suddenly over. You could not be more wrong. The five major points from the article: 1. [b]Discrimination[/b]. It is still legal in the majority of states to discriminate against gay and trans people with regards to employment. Obama made gay and trans discrimination illegal for government jobs, but most jobs are not government jobs. So yeah, we can get married now... and then we can go to work the next day and get fired by our homophobic boss. 2. [b]Adoption[/b]. Many politicians (Republicans) and a lot of the public are still against gay adoption, and while it is now legal in almost every state, Republican politicians nation-wide are actively trying to repeal those rights. 3. [b]Homelessness[/b]. Due to a combination of job discrimination and unaccepting, unloving parents, 40% of homeless youth are gay and trans. This affects trans youth even harder, and homeless trans youth are disproportionately sexually assaulted at homeless shelters. 4. [b]Trans rights[/b]. Discrimination, bullying, and hate crimes are even [i]worse[/i] against trans people than they are against gay people. 41% of trans people have attempted suicide, generally due to lack of acceptance, inability to afford (and lack of insurance coverage for) trans-related medical care, or due to homelessness caused by inability to find work because of discrimination. In addition, Republicans all over the country are continuing to attempt to roll out "bathroom bills" that would force trans people into unsafe spaces. 5. [b]HIV and AIDS[/b]. This doesn't so much have to do with equality, but it's still an important issue. HIV and AIDS disproportionally affect gay men, and this has been a major issue for the community since the 80s. Some points of my own I'd like to add: 6. [b]Panic defense[/b]. In 49 out of 50 states (California being the exception) it is still totally legal to use what's called the "gay/trans panic defense." This where the person who has committed a hate crime against a gay or trans person will claim "self defense" and "temporary insanity" in response to finding out their victim was gay or trans. This is 100% real and is used successfully to this day. 7. [b]Sex education[/b]. Sex ed is already lacking, even for straight people. "Abstinence only" sex ed has been proven to be completely ineffective, and yet it is still widely taught across the country. But even more unfortunate is that sex ed in schools is entirely heteronormative. If you're gay or trans and need to learn about the birds and the bees, heterosexual sex ed isn't going to be very useful. In order for all people, regardless of gender identity or sexual orientation, to be able to enjoy [i]safe[/i] sex, sex ed must account for everyone, not just straight people. 8. [b]Representation[/b]. Gay and trans people are egregiously underrepresented in TV and film, media outlets that almost everyone goes to for entertainment and escapism. If you are straight and cisgender, you will find loads of relatable characters on screen. If your'e gay or trans, it's very hard to find relatable characters. Furthermore, trans people especially are commonly the butt of disgustingly offensive jokes in movies, usually as a way of poking fun at a straight man's sexuality. This lack of representation and horrible caricaturization teaches gay and trans youth that they are less important than others because they don't see people like themselves on TV. 9. [b]Education and acceptance[/b]. Even if all of the things previously mentioned are fixed, that doesn't mean that everyone suddenly accepts us. Making workplace discrimination illegal doesn't stop prejudiced employers from coming up with other excuses to not hire us. Making punishments harsher for hate crime perpetrators doesn't stop hate crimes from happening. Equality in the eyes of the law doesn't end oppression. The only way for the LGBT community to truly have equal standing in society, to not be deemed "lesser," is by educating people. We have to teach people that we're born this way, we don't choose it. We have to teach people that gender and sexuality are fluid, and that falling anywhere on the spectrum is valid. We have to teach people that everyone deserves basic human decency and respect,. We have to teach people to celebrate our differences rather than using them to divide us. We have to undo this archaic, traditionalist heteronormativity and cisnormativity in our culture that perpetuate hatred and oppression. My gay and trans brothers, sisters, and non-binary siblings are still dying for our cause. Every day I see a new article about a gay or trans person being attacked or killed, or committing suicide because their parents refuse to love them. [b][i]This fight is far from over.[/i][/b] Now please stop trying to convince me that my community has achieved equality. Your ignorance will be ignored.

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  • Hey, I just wanted say you're doing a great job supporting the LGBT society

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  • [quote]7. Sex education. Sex ed is already lacking, even for straight people. "Abstinence only" sex ed has been proven to be completely ineffective, and yet it is still widely taught across the country. But even more unfortunate is that sex ed in schools is entirely heteronormative. If you're gay or trans and need to learn about the birds and the bees, heterosexual sex ed isn't going to be very useful. In order for all people, regardless of gender identity or sexual orientation, to be able to enjoy safe sex, sex ed must account for everyone, not just straight people.[/quote] This is about your only point that I might noticeably disagree with any/or question. Are you saying that we should add how to safely have anal sex and vagina to vagina contact sex. As well as safe practice for sharing sex toys? Perhaps you'd care to lay out what you believe is missing from Non-abstinence based sex ed. I am most interested to see what you would consider homo/bi/trans only items that should be included. (for the record, I did not have an Abstinence only sex ed or anti-contraceptives sex-ed. We covered a lot without much sugar coating)

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  • Gay people/trans people are widely accepted everywhere in the US. I don't know about wherever you live, but almost no gays are being denied anything anymore in Indiana. (I'm pretty sure we're republican too). So get you're head out of your ass and start realizing that discrimination anymore is just a personal choice that's dying off quickly.

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    • I'm all for equality under law of the LGBT community. A lot of the issues you are talking about have nothing to do with rights. Nobody has the right to make their parents accept them. I also don't know if it's a good idea to change sex Ed to conclude all different kinds of sex. Reproduction and safety should be covered and that applies to all people. I definitely don't believe the government or insurance companies should be required to pay for someone to have a sex change. That's an elective procedure. Advocacy helps but remember that works are the most important thing. You can talk all you want but it's nearly impossible to change the hearts and minds of those who have a certain belief. If you feel strongly about these matters you should volunteer your time to working with LGBT youth. It is important for these people to have mentors and others they can relate to rather than someone on a soapbox.

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    • Be grateful you live somewhere where it's acceptable. [spoiler]if you were say in Iran or Afghanistan, you'd be killed on the spot[/spoiler]

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    • About half of these we can do right now, the other half however requires the old conservatives, and religious fanatics to die off. You may actually get these in 30-60 years. Sorry, but it's the truth. Keep pushing for it though, people should be aware of these issues. Good luck Anomaly. With the mass of toxic, homophobic, transphobic, sexist, and apathetic comments I mean.

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      • [quote]I'm seeing a lot of severely misinformed people around here who think that because same-sex marriage was finally legalized, that suddenly all of the struggles of the LGBT community are suddenly over. You could not be more wrong. ----THERE'S NO STRUGGLES EXCEPT NORMAL HUMAN ONES The five major points from the article: 1. [b]Discrimination[/b]. It is still legal in the majority of states to discriminate against gay and trans people with regards to employment. Obama made gay and trans discrimination illegal for government jobs, but most jobs are not government jobs. So yeah, we can get married now... and then we can go to work the next day and get fired by our homophobic boss. -----FREEDOM OF RELIGION, OR ARE YOU PREJUDICE AGAINST RELIGION? 2. [b]Adoption[/b]. Many politicians (Republicans) and a lot of the public are still against gay adoption, and while it is now legal in almost every state, Republican politicians nation-wide are actively trying to repeal those rights. -----LITERALLY NOONE NOWDAYS ADVOCATES THAT 3. [b]Homelessness[/b]. Due to a combination of job discrimination and unaccepting, unloving parents, 40% of homeless youth are gay and trans. This affects trans youth even harder, and homeless trans youth are disproportionately sexually assaulted at homeless shelters. ----THERE'S THAT PROGRESSIVE MIND. WORRY ABOUT A SPECIFIC GROUP RATHER THAN EVERYONE. THAT'S PREJUDICE. 4. [b]Trans rights[/b]. Discrimination, bullying, and hate crimes are even [i]worse[/i] against trans people than they are against gay people. 41% of trans people have attempted suicide, generally due to lack of acceptance, inability to afford (and lack of insurance coverage for) trans-related medical care, or due to homelessness caused by inability to find work because of discrimination. In addition, Republicans all over the country are continuing to attempt to roll out "bathroom bills" that would force trans people into unsafe spaces. ------WHATEVER SEX YOU ARE GO IN THERE. HONESTLY IT'S TO TAKE A PISS. I WOULDN'T WANT GUYS GOING IN THE BATHROOM WITH MY DAUGHTER. REALLY THAT'S GROSS 5. [b]HIV and AIDS[/b]. This doesn't so much have to do with equality, but it's still an important issue. HIV and AIDS disproportionally affect gay men, and this has been a major issue for the community since the 80s. -----OK? WE KNOW Some points of my own I'd like to add: 6. [b]Panic defense[/b]. In 49 out of 50 states (California being the exception) it is still totally legal to use what's called the "gay/trans panic defense." This where the person who has committed a hate crime against a gay or trans person will claim "self defense" and "temporary insanity" in response to finding out their victim was gay or trans. This is 100% real and is used successfully to this day. ------BOLOGNA 7. [b]Sex education[/b]. Sex ed is already lacking, even for straight people. "Abstinence only" sex ed has been proven to be completely ineffective, and yet it is still widely taught across the country. But even more unfortunate is that sex ed in schools is entirely heteronormative. If you're gay or trans and need to learn about the birds and the bees, heterosexual sex ed isn't going to be very useful. In order for all people, regardless of gender identity or sexual orientation, to be able to enjoy [i]safe[/i] sex, sex ed must account for everyone, not just straight people. -----NO ANYONE SUGGESTING THIS IS DISGUSTING. SEX ED BEYOND REPRODUCTIVE SCIENCE IS PARENTS JOB. 8. [b]Representation[/b]. Gay and trans people are egregiously underrepresented in TV and film, media outlets that almost everyone goes to for entertainment and escapism. If you are straight and cisgender, you will find loads of relatable characters on screen. If your'e gay or trans, it's very hard to find relatable characters. Furthermore, trans people especially are commonly the butt of disgustingly offensive jokes in movies, usually as a way of poking fun at a straight man's sexuality. This lack of representation and horrible caricaturization teaches gay and trans youth that they are less important than others because they don't see people like themselves on TV. -----THERE'S PLENTY OF THAT SHIT YOU'RE DELUSIONAL 9. [b]Education and acceptance[/b]. Even if all of the things previously mentioned are fixed, that doesn't mean that everyone suddenly accepts us. Making workplace discrimination illegal doesn't stop prejudiced employers from coming up with other excuses to not hire us. Making punishments harsher for hate crime perpetrators doesn't stop hate crimes from happening. Equality in the eyes of the law doesn't end oppression. The only way for the LGBT community to truly have equal standing in society, to not be deemed "lesser," is by educating people. We have to teach people that we're born this way, we don't choose it. We have to teach people that gender and sexuality are fluid, and that falling anywhere on the spectrum is valid. We have to teach people that everyone deserves basic human decency and respect,. We have to teach people to celebrate our differences rather than using them to divide us. We have to undo this archaic, traditionalist heteronormativity and cisnormativity in our culture that perpetuate hatred and oppression. -----YOU'RE A -blam!-ING MARXIST. YOU CANT CONTROL THOUGHT YOU COMMIE MOST PEOPLE DON'T GIVE A SHIT IF YOU'RE GAY. My gay and trans brothers, sisters, and non-binary siblings are still dying for our cause. Every day I see a new article about a gay or trans person being attacked or killed, or committing suicide because their parents refuse to love them. -----^THAT'S YOUR PROBLEM TAKE A BREAK, IT'S EATING YOUR BRAIN [b][i]This fight is far from over.[/i][/b] Now please stop trying to convince me that my community has achieved equality. Your ignorance will be ignored.[/quote] ----^AND WILL BE PERMINATELY STUCK IN HER DREAM LAND

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        • *Peter griffin voice* "OMG, Who the hell cares?"

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          • Edited by Ghost4201990: 3/18/2016 1:59:53 PM
            See this is the mindset of the progressive left^. They want to police everyone's thoughts,and actions. Seriously you have equal rights leave us alone marxists

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          • As we all know, when a law says two things are equal, that's the end of the fight. It's not like people try to circumvent these laws and it's not like laws go unenforced or anything. Wait, the late 1800s and 1960s exist? Well, shit...

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          • Hey, they made the choice to go against gods will and design! Nobody said that it would be easy. And why are they complaining! It's getting rediculous, yes, I get the discrimination thing, I disagree with it, but I get it. But still, now their saying that if we don't allow them into the wrong bathroom then their being discriminated! Rediculous!

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          • Half of the things on this list either: A.) Are not rights Or B.) Have absolutely nothing to do with being LGBT. Seriously, aids is on this list? Dafuq does that have to do with "The fight for LGBT rights?" "Oh no guys...it's gotten worse...STD's are evolving and now they're becoming homophobic too! Now straight people are getting cured because their AIDS is transferring itself to LGBT people! Oh the humanity!" Seriously, FOH.

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          • You're fighting for all this stuff in the wrong generation. This is the first generation where all this stuff is becoming legal and really out there per say. All this stuff is not going to come till the second or third generations after this one maybe the first if y'all are lucky. You just still have the whole moral of LGBT people are weird or mentally sick and that you shouldn't associate with them. Me personally I've grown up with the idea of Gays and Trans being weird and not normal, so while I have nothing against them I still tend to not necessarily avoid them but just keep away. This is just because it's how my brain has wired itself and unfortunately it's probably a similar situation for most of the current generation.

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          • Edited by B00ZE CLUEZ: 3/18/2016 1:54:08 PM
            sex education is OK the way it is. it explains the reproductive system. gay sex doesn't need that explanation nor does it need to add anything. just my opinion. edit: putting a condom on a straight dick is the same as putting it on a gay dick. just sayin

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          • 1-4 I was on board. After that you lost me

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            • TL;DR.

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            • It's going to take a long time for things to change, if they ever change that is.

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            • Just for that stuff alone I sometimes wonder if living in the USA is that much of a great idea. Gays were allowed to marry in 2003 here. They can adopt just like straight couples. No one bats an eye because no one cares. That coming from a country that's "known" because of some damn chocolate and waffles. Than there's the great USA.. Still going mental over pretty much just the word gay (._. )

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              • Informative. I'll keep this in mind.

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                The replies in this thread are toxic

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                • Woah there! Don't get too wet over it

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                • Edited by ChaoticPhenomena: 3/18/2016 12:44:45 PM
                  You're cute when youre angry.

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                • You lost me at LGBT sex Ed. I don't want to know about that

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                • Edited by Edge Lawbringer: 3/18/2016 9:10:50 AM
                  Okay whoever said that "Teaching a sex ed for for LGBT is useless because it's not a large enough population." Is a complete dumbass! Did you know that a recent study shows that a little less than 50% of teenagers and young adults identify as something other than straight? Last time I checked that's a pretty large population. And since I don't like labels I call myself an 18 y/o male who's into guys. I'm not gay I'm Jastyne(my real name) *rolls eyes and puts on earphones*

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