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3/6/2016 3:20:22 PM
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If like to point out first that a ghost can be killed by a single bullet. It's written in the lore of destiny. Second, the guardians magic would never break Spartan armor or its over shield as a Spartans armor and over shield combined are able to withstand any amount of heat a ballistic force going towards them. Their armor allows them to survive nuclear blasts that destroy super planets. Third, the spartans augmentations give so many advantages as they can run over 60mph, have unbreakable ceramic bones, lined lungs allowing them to breath anything that's not oxygen for over an hour, enhanced 5 senses, thruster systems, highly advanced heads up display that could target an enemy from over 3 miles, their bud system allows to fire without missing shots, enhanced strength, extremely maneuverable in the armor despite it weighing over 1000 pounds (imagine being just simply ran into). Fourth, the Spartans completely outnumber all guardians in forces. Fifth, a Spartan Fireteam consists of 6 while a guardians is 3.
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So i have been away from this forum for a few days come back and people are still arguing this. There r hundreds of comments more and i dont feel like reading them all but the from what i can gather u all r arguing if a spartan can survive a nuke and magics role in all this. First of all it depends on the type if the bomb and the explosive yield of a bomb to determine its effectiveness. Some nukes can be millions of times more powerful then others. I have no recollection of any spartan surviving a nuke outside of mc because of cortana and his infinite amount of plot armor. I dont think a spartan could survive any nuke though unless he was very far from ground zero. I mean if a rocket can kill them so can a nuke. On the subject of magic i dont think the guardians can use it. The main idea we have to think about when using the word magic is deciding whether the guardians are actually doing magic. Magic generally could be thought of as doing something that is outside of what is believed to be physically possible according to the laws of the universe. Normally when magic is present in fiction it is very specifically stated however in destiny it is not. I think its more likely that guardians are using light do to actions that were previously believed to be impossible in the eyes of humans. I think light is a form of energy like electrical or kinetic that the guardians utilize but dont understand it is still a part of the destiny universe physics thus it is bound and governed by rules. I think the easiest way to think of light is to think of it like ki in dbz. It is an inner force with limits that can be used to accomplish incredible feats but is not magic. Light is just something that the guardians don't understand but utilize. Also because of this i believe the light is one of the sources of destiny humans weakness. The destiny humans are technologically and mentally inferior to halos humans. The guardians overly rely on eris's ability to understand the hive when they come across an enemy they dont understand they get crushed and unlike the halo humans they are unable to understand their enemies. In halo humans reverse engineer foreign technology and come up with large scale tactics to combat superior opponents. The guardians rely on light to much they have to use old ships from a past age and have never demonstrated tactics that go the way they planned or work without luck. They also have never used nukes, a perfect time to use one would have been on the dreadnaught if not to blow it up just for the radiation and emp. This leads me to believe they do not possess them and cannot make them. While halo people can. This also shows that there are many more competent or educated people in halo. Further if u analyze the soldiers the people in halo are also superior. First there is no limit to the # of spartans there can be but there r limited guardians. And there is alot more to humanity than the spartans. Spartans are physically superior with better reflex time better training better physical condition faster brain processing and overall more intelligent. By the way following complicated procedures does not denote high intelligence an animal could be trained to stand on a certain spot at a certain time so the raid does not prove guardian intelligence. On the topic of supers i believe there are very few that could penetrate armorlock and those that could outlast it like the hammer of sol would have to direct their attention elsewhere as most spartans do not fight alone. Also it is interesting to consider what would happen to the guardians if the traveler was killed. The fact that humans in halo have left the solar system also shows better technology. The humans in halo are constantly fighting enemies they do not fully understand who are much older species have better technology and have no fatal weakness. The guardians success can be traced back to the fact that their enemies are week to light. Anyway humans in halo> humans in destiny But in the end all the humans are irrelevant as stated by me and many other users because their are much more powerful beings in both universes that would determine the fight
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Edited by TheArtist: 3/6/2016 5:24:36 PMSmh..... A single bullet from a magic infused weapon. Ghosts are the remanants of the power of the Traveller itself. Used to resurrect human beings FROM THE DEAD, to fight for The Light. A Traveller that terra-formed Venus and Mercury. The REAL Venus is an 850* F blast furnace that is hot enough to melt lead. Exerts a crushing 800 psi of pressure ( Earth is 15 psi)...and rains SULFURIC ACID. Yet it has been turned into a lush jungle world, teeming with life. The surface of Mercury is a 800 *F NUCLEAR blast furnace. With no atmosphere and no magnetic field. IOW...if the heat didn't liquefy....the radiation would shred your DNA...and you wouldn't have to worry about the lack of oxygen. because the solar wind would SCOUR the planet of any thoughts of keeping an atmosphere. In short. What the Traveller and the Vex did on Mercury is a scientific IMPOSSIBILITY. The Spartans would lose against Guardians for one simple reason. Spartans have to play within the laws of physics. Guardians don't. A point that being able to be resurrected from the DEAD so often, that Hunters will JOKE about using their own bodies to clear minefields should have clued people into.
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[quote]Smh..... A single bullet from a magic infused weapon. --------- Which does? --------- Ghosts are the remanants of the power of the Traveller itself. Used to resurrect human beings FROM THE DEAD, to fight for The Light. A Traveller that terra-formed Venus and Mercury. The REAL Venus is an 850* F blast furnace that is hot enough to melt lead. Exerts a crushing 800 psi of pressure ( Earth is 15 psi)...and rains SULFURIC ACID. Yet it has been turned into a lush jungle world, teeming with life. --------- The UNSC is terraforming Reach back to its pre glass state. --------- The surface of Mercury is a 800 *F NUCLEAR blast furnace. With no atmosphere and no magnetic field. IOW...if the heat didn't liquefy....the radiation would shred your DNA...and you wouldn't have to worry about the lack of oxygen. because the solar wind would SCOUR the planet of any thoughts of keeping an atmosphere. In short. What the Traveller and the Vex did on Mercury is a scientific IMPOSSIBILITY. The Spartans would lose against Guardians for one simple reason. Spartans have to play within the laws of physics. --------- Yet have backpack fusion reactors? And weapons that can destroy energy? --------- Guardians don't. A point that being able to be resurrected from the DEAD so often, that Hunters will JOKE about using their own bodies to clear minefields should have clued people into.[/quote] --------- Nether do.
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You kinda proven my point even more with that bud.
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Edited by TheArtist: 3/6/2016 5:34:28 PMNot if you understand the science I'm referring to. Our fireteams In the Dark Below kicked the ass of a being who was powerful enough to swing a sword and CRACK the surface of the moon hard enough to raise MOUNTAINS. A being who wielded enough power to create and control his own alternate DIMENSION. in short----for all intents and purposes of the word----a god. Then 6 months later kicked the ass of his DADDY who was powerful enough to RIP other beings from this dimension.....destroy their independent will...and then return them to this dimension as slaves to fight for him. That were actually MORE powerful than the beings that he kidnapped. A Spartan having to operate within the laws of physics and human techonology that is actually 300 years behind that of the Destiny Universe would not present a problem.
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[quote]Not if you understand the science I'm referring to. --------- "Science" which you have provided no evidence to support. --------- Our fireteams In the Dark Below kicked the ass of a being who was powerful enough to swing a sword and CRACK the surface of the moon hard enough to raise MOUNTAINS. A being who wielded enough power to create and control his own alternate DIMENSION. --------- Because our light countered his dark. --------- in short----for all intents and purposes of the word----a god. Then 6 months later kicked the ass of his DADDY who was powerful enough to RIP other beings from this dimension.....destroy their independent will...and then return them to this dimension as slaves to fight for him. That were actually MORE powerful than the beings that he kidnapped. --------- Because light. --------- A Spartan having to operate within the laws of physics and human techonology that is actually 300 years behind that of the Destiny Universe would not present a problem.[/quote] --------- They don't operate within the laws of physics, do you really think it's possible to genetically augment humans to be able to lift 72 tons?
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[quote]Not if you understand the science I'm referring to. --------- "Science" which you have provided no evidence to support. --------- Our fireteams In the Dark Below kicked the ass of a being who was powerful enough to swing a sword and CRACK the surface of the moon hard enough to raise MOUNTAINS. A being who wielded enough power to create and control his own alternate DIMENSION. --------- Because our light countered his dark. --------- in short----for all intents and purposes of the word----a god. Then 6 months later kicked the ass of his DADDY who was powerful enough to RIP other beings from this dimension.....destroy their independent will...and then return them to this dimension as slaves to fight for him. That were actually MORE powerful than the beings that he kidnapped. --------- Because light. --------- A Spartan having to operate within the laws of physics and human techonology that is actually 300 years behind that of the Destiny Universe would not present a problem.[/quote] --------- They don't operate within the laws of physics, do you really think it's possible to genetically augment humans to be able to lift 72 tons?
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Edited by The Rookie: 3/6/2016 5:35:49 PMI think your exaggerating way to much in destroying a universe with a sword. Cmon dude don't over exaggerate. And like I said Spartan armor alone without its over shield can withstand nuclear blasts that can destroy planets 4x the size of Jupiter. The over shielding is 4x stronger than the armor itself. So again your logic just helps mine.
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Spartans have never been shown to survive nuclear blast.
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Yeah they have. Again read the lore. Even play halo 4.
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Master chief was saved by Cortana in halo 4. Nowhere in any of the books have Spartans survived a nuke, heck Kurt was killed by one.
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Kurt was a Spartan 2 I'm referring to Spartan 4s. And actually cortana didn't full save him. She played a role but not fully. It was mainly supposed to keep him safe from the didact.
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Chief detonate the bomb then realizes that he somehow live in this weird bubble. He didn't expect to survive otherwise. Proof that spartan 4s are tens of thousands of times more durable? Because this would break sitting.
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They are more durable yes but it kinda wrong. Chiefs body was never truly in that bubble is from what I heard actually. Now don't quote me on this but cortana was speaking to chief through some channel in his brain since his suit is actually linked to his brain. His real body was never in that bubble so says some lore. I'll try to find a link if I can.
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Ok, but The idea of Spartans being able to survive a nuclear bomb brakes setting. As there's no way they could've died to anything short of a covenant ship, yet they do.
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Edited by The Rookie: 3/7/2016 4:31:25 AMMost of the Spartan 4s that were killed were either completely disintegrated by Promethians using forerunner tech or died in the sun during the battle of Requiem. I'd like to state that I'm not saying they're immortal but damn are they durable.
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Not nuke durable. Bucks armor was pierced by a bullet. Halo New Blood "Fortunately, my armor hadn’t stopped working. It automatically sealed the hole the bullet had made, keeping me from bleeding out, and injected me with a flood of biofoam, which brought the agony down from blinding to almost tolerable."
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Edited by The Rookie: 3/7/2016 4:39:53 AMIf he was an odst still that's understandable. If he was a Spartan I'd imagine it hit his undersuit armor which is a titanium and Kevlar weave. Not as durable as the armor itself but can block at least 2 50 cal sniper shots until it breaks.
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Edited by Edcub One: 3/7/2016 4:41:03 AMHe was a Spartan at this point, which is why the armor self repaired. It went right through and embedded itself in his body which is why he needed bio foam.
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Edited by The Rookie: 3/7/2016 4:42:36 AMThen it was most likely his undersuit. Plus he couldn't have had his shields because he had no helmet. This is when he fought Mickey correct?
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What do you mean?
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The undersuit is the weakest point in a Spartans armor only being able to deflect 3 50 cal sniper shots before it weakens. The undersuit is mostly for Spartan comfort and temperature control with slight protection. Most protection comes from a Spartans over shields which buck couldn't have had since he had no helmet when fighting Mickey. The suit needs the helmet to power the shields so that the user doesn't get injured and because the visor helps power the shielding.
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Even the under suit is still immensely durable though certainly better than standard UNSC armor. My point was simply that the cancer vibe nukes.
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Spartan 4s are able to survive it I can guarantee
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Edited by Edcub One: 3/7/2016 5:04:54 AMBut there's no proof, spartan fours have died before to conventional arms fire as we saw in halo escalation. And Buck was able to take down Mickey shields by repeatedly punching him. They can't withstand nuclear bombs or it would break the setting.
