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3/5/2016 7:14:01 PM
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Not invulnerable.
Just extremely difficult to destroy. A point that would be clear if you pay attention to the things your ghost can do and the energies it can harness.
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Your one to talk about paying attention.
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So difficult to destroy that we've personally discovered at least 100 scattered around, and the thousands+ of dead Guardians, right?
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This is war that has been raging for centuries.
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Edited by High Charity: 3/5/2016 7:52:02 PMAnd that's [i]just what we've personally discovered[/i]. We [u]also[/u] know that there are at least hundreds of thousands of actually dead Guardians. If they were so hard to kill, the war wouldn't lasted more than a year.
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More all or nothing thinking.
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And it's just adorable you can't have a single shred of anything remotely resembling an argument. It's okay kid, we know that you're lost.
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Your one to talk.
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Edited by TheArtist: 3/6/2016 12:45:41 PMActually I've proven my point multiple times. In simply trying to argue physics and history with people who want to argue emotion and fantasy. Once the OP invoke "logic" (which ==rationality== science) this debate was over. Spartans fight in a fictional universe of the scientifically plausible fighting other beings doing things that are scientifically plausible. Even if it's a million years in our future. Guardians fight in a fictional universe of MAGIC. Where beings routinely do things that are scientifically IMPOSSIBLE against other beings doing the scientifically impossible. Channeling the power of a machine/entity that terra-formed two planets that are hot enough to melt Lead...once of which is exposed to enough radiation to scour the planet of ANY atmosphere it might think of having. The only thing that is keeping this conversation going is hero worship for The Master Chief. Full stop.
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[quote]Actually I've proven my point multiple times. In simply trying to argue physics and history with people who want to argue emotion and fantasy. ------- We have to use the laws of physics in order to try and rationalize their abilities or we have no way to compare them. ------- Once the OP invoke "logic" (which ==rationality== science) this debate was over. ------- We can except a little bit of magic but we have to be rational. ------- Spartans fight in a fictional universe of the scientifically plausible fighting other beings doing things that are scientifically plausible. Even if it's a million years in our future. ------- Very little of it is actually scientifically plausible as I've shown many times, as it defies the laws of physics. ------- Guardians fight in a fictional universe of MAGIC. Where beings routinely do things that are scientifically IMPOSSIBLE against other beings doing the scientifically impossible. ------- Both do. ------- Channeling the power of a machine/entity that terra-formed two planets that are hot enough to melt Lead...once of which is exposed to enough radiation to scour the planet of ANY atmosphere it might think of having. ------- The but they don't channel all of its energy individually. ------- The only thing that is keeping this conversation going is hero worship for The Master Chief. ------- No it's you ignoring the facts. ------- Full stop.[/quote]
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Edited by Edcub One: 3/7/2016 6:47:58 AMOops.
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Which explains why hundreds of thousands of Guardians have died along with their Ghosts. Ghosts are the equivalent of a support glass cannon. Incredibly powerful and useful but fragile as hell. Ghosts on their own barely survive. Reviving a Guardian takes considerable time by a single Ghost, which leaves it beyond exposed. If another Ghost/Guardian is involved then it is shortened but nonetheless the Ghosts are exposed and can go down easily.
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Edited by TheArtist: 3/5/2016 7:37:12 PMWhile holding off a planetary scale invasion. Over a period of centuries. If Ghosts were easy to destroy, this war would have been over centuries ago, and The City would be either a Hive portal or Fallen spaceport. A battle the scale of Twilight Gap alone should have cost hundreds of thousands of lives.
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[quote]While holding off a planetary scale invasion. Over a period of centuries. ------- Not very successfully seeing as there's only one city under their control. ------- If Ghosts were easy to destroy, this war would have been over centuries ago, and The City would be either a Hive portal or Fallen spaceport. A battle the scale of Twilight Gap alone should have cost hundreds of thousands of lives.[/quote]
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You're talking as if it's the Ghosts alone are stopping a planetary invasion. Earth hasn't had a planetary invasion. I wouldn't call Twilight Gap a planetary scale invasion when it only involves a couple factions of a race. Not even the Hive landing on Earth is a planetary scale invasion when they're pretty much contained in the Cosmodrone and random outbreaks else where in the world. Only the Cabal and Oryx had the true power to conduct a full on planetary invasion, something that any of the factions in Halo would have no problem with. Or hell, why not just blow up Earth directly? None of the factions of Destiny have that power while all of them in Halo do. I'd love to see The City withstand a NOVA bomb, which is still comparably weak within Halo. You're giving way too much credit to the Ghosts out of blind fanboyism. If they were truly as strong as you make them out to be then The City would be in a much much better position and so would the Guardians, but they are not. The Speaker always says the City is on the verge of collapse and fading into Darkness. Spartan kills the Guardian, Spartan captures or destroys the Ghost. End of story. Spartans have the reflexes and speed in order to do that, not to mention the training and experience.
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Smh. Fanboyism has nothing to do with this. 1. It's a sound understanding of physics, and the energies required to do the things our Guardians do. 2. With the exception of The Cabal, or Guatdians are battling other wielded of magic.
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[quote]Smh. Fanboyism has nothing to do with this. 1. It's a sound understanding of physics, and the energies required to do the things our Guardians do. ------- Then can you please proof the backpack fusion reactors are possible, or that you can destroy energy? ------- 2. With the exception of The Cabal, or Guatdians are battling other wielded of magic.[/quote]
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Then UNSC weapons destroy universe because they overwhelmed shields powered by countless universes.
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Forerunner.
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UNSC weapons takedown Promethean shields, are you denying that we can kill Promethean soldiers with assault rifles?
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Did you read any of the Halo novels? If you have...then you are being annoyingly selective in your memory. If you haven't...then this conversation is pointless. Because you are arguing about a universe that you really don't understand. Humans are the RECLAIMERS. Heirs to a techonological legacy that is probably ONE MILLION years more advanced than we are right now. Ever since Humans discovered the ruins of the Forerunner civilization, the UNSC has been reverse-engineering Forerunner technology and incorporating in into their own weapons. By the time of the events of Halo 4, and the reawakening of the Ur-Didact, that process was WELL under way. By the events of Halo 5 those events were SO far underway, that a UNSC task force was able to beat back an assault on Earth launched by the AI that controlled The Ark. ...and the UNSC was able to design, build and COMMISSION a vessel based on Forerunner tech. (UNSC Infinity) But even still, we are taking on the DREGS of what was once the Forerunner military. A handful of AIs, and one of their military leaders driven insane by a 100,000 of hibernation/forced meditation. You are missing the point here. NOTHING that the Forerunners did...or have done....is impossible. All of it IS possible---that is nothing defies our current understanding of physics----we just don't have the technology right now to replicate it. Guardians do things every day in the Destiny Universe that DEFY PHYSICS. IOW, ARE IMPOSSIBLE NO MATTER HOW MUCH TECHNOLOGY YOU THROW AT THE PROBLEM.
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[quote]Did you read any of the Halo novels? If you have...then you are being annoyingly selective in your memory. If you haven't...then this conversation is pointless. Because you are arguing about a universe that you really don't understand. ------- I'm trying to prove to you that we can't take everything at face value. ------- Humans are the RECLAIMERS. Heirs to a techonological legacy that is probably ONE MILLION years more advanced than we are right now. Ever since Humans discovered the ruins of the Forerunner civilization, the UNSC has been reverse-engineering Forerunner technology and incorporating in into their own weapons. ------- So far normal UNSC weapons don't have this technology though. Only warzone weapons do. ------- By the time of the events of Halo 4, and the reawakening of the Ur-Didact, that process was WELL under way. By the events of Halo 5 those events were SO far underway, that a UNSC task force was able to beat back an assault on Earth launched by the AI that controlled The Ark. ------- The UNSC has not incorporated Forerunner tech in a my major way beyond Infinity. ------- ...and the UNSC was able to design, build and COMMISSION a vessel based on Forerunner tech. (UNSC Infinity) ------- It's still nowhere near as powerful as a Forerunner vessel, especially because a glassing beam went straight through it like a knife through butter. ------- But even still, we are taking on the DREGS of what was once the Forerunner military. A handful of AIs, and one of their military leaders driven insane by a 100,000 of hibernation/forced meditation. You are missing the point here. NOTHING that the Forerunners did...or have done....is impossible. All of it IS possible---that is nothing defies our current understanding of physics----we just don't have the technology right now to replicate it. ------- Unless you can disprove the laws of physics you're simply spouting crap. Certain things will never be possible. ------- Guardians do things every day in the Destiny Universe that DEFY PHYSICS. IOW, ARE IMPOSSIBLE NO MATTER HOW MUCH TECHNOLOGY YOU THROW AT THE PROBLEM.[/quote] ------- Both universes have impossible aspects. -------
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How do we know it didn't?
