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2/28/2016 9:25:00 AM
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A Taken Harpy

Okay, so I was doing the daily bounty grind, got to get that last New Monarchy shader, on Venus. I was doing some patrols when the blight event occurred. Nothing new, blew up some taken and kicked the big dude back to the nth dimension, but a thought lingered in my mind. I thought to myself that I encountered every type of Taken by now, and began to count them off. I got through all of them except the Harpy. I never remembered fighting a Taken Harpy. I also noted that Taken Shanks and Servitors didn’t exist as well, but those are machines not living beings so they cannot be taken by Oryx. I thought I missed something, so I ran through a new guardian just to make sure. Turns out, I haven’t encountered a Taken Harpy. I wondered why. Why the Harpy? After digging around in the Grimoire for an hour, I found out where to find a Taken Harpy. They are in the Vault of Glass. They are the Gorgons. I remember doing Vault of Glass for the first time and encountering the Gorgons. I wondered why they didn’t look like a normal Harpy (after the Templar fight, I had seen plenty of Harpies up close). The odd cyan glow to these Gorgons made them stand out from the normal Harpy. Now, a year later, and the Taken King released, I can say that the Gorgon’s look like the Taken form of the Harpies. I thought that this was a good enough connect to prove the Gorgon is a Taken Harpy, but looks are just circumstantial, I needed something more, a guardian to tell me that they are. We already know that the Vex and Oryx are connected in the fragment XXXVIII where it states; ‘’’ But while Oryx traveled to observe the Deep destroy an ancient fortress world, Crota conspired with his sisters to learn their secrets. ‘I too will experiment with a wound,’ he said. With his sword Crota cut open a new wound, into a new space. In here he thought he might obtain a secret power. Out of this wound came machines called Vex. They invaded Oryx’s throne world.’’’ The Vex came from a wound that Crota made and then fight Oryx. During the battle the Vex mind Quria, Blade Transform, fights Oryx. Fragment XLIII talks about the outcome of the battle; "Quria shuts down its weapons and puts all its spare resources into sending telemetry to the greater Vex. There will be points in space and time where this data is vital. There will be great projects undertaken in the study of this ontological power, this throne-space." Notice what type of power the Vex want to obtain. They want the ontological power of throne-space. Ontological means the understanding of being, existence, or reality. So the Vex want to control reality. Sound familiar? The Gorgons have, as the Grimoire card for the Gorgon states, “Gorgons – creatures that seem to possess a dreaded, almost unimaginable strength: an ontological weapon”. This is the data that Quria sent to the greater Vex. There is also the interesting fact about throne-space. This means that this ontological power only exists in Oryx’s space. This fact is even more interesting when the last part of the Gorgon Grimoire is takne into account. It states “The Gorgons’ ability must be tied to the nature of the Vault of Glass. We can take some solace in the clear fact that the Vex cannot manifest this power in the world outside.” Just like how Oryx cannot manipulate Reality outside of the Ascendant realm, the Gorgons are bound to the Vault-space. I have my reason why we do not encounter the Taken Harpies on a regular basis. So as we know, the Taken exhibit powers that they desire. This is shown in the Grimoire of the individual taken. For example, the Thrall want to get closer to their enemy, so their taken form has something that is akin to blink. It can reach guardians quicker. So what of the harpies? What is their purpose, what do they want? This is not really solid, but the Grimoire says that the Harpies are used for scouting purposes. Scouts determine what is out there, what exists. So they would want to have the power to determine existence, and thus, what shouldn’t exist. Could the greater Vex have thought of the Taken invasion as a means to obtain the ontological weapon by creating a Vex unit that has the desire to determine existence and reality? Either way, this would also explain why we don’t see taken Harpies in the open worlds. The ontological weapon only works in a pre-determined space. For Oryx, it is the throne-space, and for the Taken Harpies, it is the Vault-space. There are no Taken Harpies roaming the over world because they can’t. I feel better now that there is a possible explanation for the gap in the Taken. With that out of the way, I can now go on patrol and not worry about these things………..wait a minute...WHERE IS THE TAKEN DREG!!!

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  • There aren't taken dregs because they are just vandals with out lower arms, remember? If you play Destiny 2 you will notice there are no taken marauders, because they are just Vandals with stealth stuff.

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  • You literally took the words right out of my head. This is spooky. I was just thinking about this right now. I think you're onto something man. Don't let these people shut your ideas down.

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  • Edited by Spec: 8/20/2016 4:19:42 PM
    The Gorgons are not taken. Just like you said, the Vex have the ability to bend reality and time to their desire as much as they want within the confines of the Vault, while outside it's not possible. The Gorgons are protecting the Vault of Glass- aka the Glass Throne where Atheon is. If they believe you are a threat, they will erase you from existence. You will be totally forgotten. Side note: Kabr was not forgotten because he left behind a legacy that tells of his story. Praedyth is trapped somewhere in the dark corners of Time, and Pahanin managed to escape. If there were more than three at the time of their demise, they were likely totally erased from existence with no legacy to leave behind. Oryx can bend reality in the Ascendant Plane, and he can to some extent in the physical world by taking (ripping a living creature out of the physical world and into his own dimension where they are seduced and wholly consumed by Darkness). Honestly, I see this theory everywhere that the Gorgons are Taken, they're definitely not, and people aren't taking into fact that VoG chronologically speaking, came way before the events of Oryx's invasion (not to mention if you look closely at one you'll definitely notice it's not taken). People should also take into account that if Harpies could be taken, they'd show up anywhere Taken Vex can be found and you'd DEFINITELY find them in the Paradox mission (but did you notice they're NOT in the labyrinth during the mission, or anywhere else???). It's likely the Gorgons attempted to face the Taken who invaded the vault, and realized they couldn't erase them- so they likely either were destroyed or they fled to somewhere deeper in the Vault where the Taken haven't found yet.

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    • I've been telling people this for a LONG TIME

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    • Don't take dregs. Dregs kill.

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      • Edited by Elephant Head Saphy: 2/29/2016 9:30:29 PM
        Orxy just looked at Dregs, shook his head, and walked away.

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        • Edited by One Shot Ted: 3/1/2016 8:00:58 PM
          He'd be too OP because, as we all know... Dregs want ALL OF THE ARMS!!! *insert dreg wielding 400 shrapnel launchers*

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          • taken? no. Replicas? Perhaps. Also there aren't any taken dregs

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          • What vault space? Lol

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            • Cut content.

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            • Edited by MythicBro: 3/1/2016 6:00:56 AM
              There is no Taken dreg Taken guardian Taken awoken Taken worm (the things thralls eat) Taken strike bosses Taken crota Taken Shank Taken Servitor Taken colossus Taken animals Taken planets Taken ships Taken shaders Taken harpies Taken atheon Taken skolas Taken ogre Ta- There's a lot of things that aren't taken,okay? And gorgons are not taken harpies even though they look like them.

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              • Foil hat-secured Nice theory broseph,very creative and some nice work workin with the grimoire. Posts like these are why I still like the forums :)

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              • The ONLY thing that a Dreg wants is a second pair of arms. So if you "take" a dreg all you do is turn it into a vandal. Then you have to "take" the vandal - and give it a bubble shield.

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              • No. Gorgon are not taken. At all. They are dealing with cronal energy. The shank, harpy and servitors aren't alive organic creatures, and if you paid attention you'd know only living organic can be taken.

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              • tl;dr

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              • Pretty sure harpies are machines too...

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              • Edited by NobodyJustBrad: 2/28/2016 4:02:32 PM
                I'm sorry, but this is incorrect. A) the ontological power originated from Oryx's throne space, yes. But that does not mean only the Taken can use it. Quria transmitted the information of ontological power to the Vex network. The Vex then created their own throne space, The Vault of Glass. This is why they cannot use the ontological power anywhere else, as you stated. Also, Gorgons are not the only things in the vault with ontological powers. The oracles also possess this ability. The Vex have used the information from Quria to manufacture their own versions of this ontological power. But here is a difference. For Oryx, his POWER is ontological. For the Vex, they use ontological WEAPONS. Devices that recreate Oryx's ontological power. This feeds into my next point. B) There are not, and never will be, Taken forms of machines. Oryx can only take biological entities. This is because "Taking" them is to take their will. Machines (servitors, shanks, and harpies) do not have a will of their own for Oryx to take. Before anyone tries to say all of the Vex are just machines, I'll stop you there. That is incorrect. Their grimoire clearly states them to be organic. Some versions (goblin, hobgoblin, minotaur, etc) do have an organic life source while others (harpy, cyclops) are just machines. Gorgons cannot be taken Harpies. There is no gap in the Taken roster, except for Dregs. But even then, to be taken is actually a gift. Dregs are Dregs because they have dishonored their fallen race. You could say they are not worthy of being taken until they are a Vandal again. C) you misinterpreted the Taken Thrall ability. Their purpose is to get closer, yes. Taken abilities are meant to cover weakness, to be better forms of themselves, not exhibit what they desire. The thrall ability teleports them SIDEWAYS, not towards the enemy, so they don't die so easily. It literally says that in their grimoire.

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                • Tard. Collosus?

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                • Edited by Bronsivion999: 3/1/2016 4:41:21 AM
                  The Gorgons are not taken, however they have a direct connection with the darkness, also Servitors and shanks are machines so they cannot be taken. I have no idea why there are no taken shanks though.

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                • When oryx tried to take chuck norris, he failed, but then turned chuck norris into... Chuck noryx

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                  • This conversation went from harpies to dregs pretty fast.

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                    • This is what I like to see in the forums less hate and more lore

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                      There are taken dregs. However, as a grimoire reader like you might know, each enemy cuts a part of them, a fear or a disadvantage, out of their form when they are taken with the 'knife'. Then Oryx gives them something to combat this fear. Take the taken psions splitting. As their numbers in the Cabal Army begin to decrease, they decided to cut out the fear of them becoming obsolete, extinct, and so they were given the 'split' feature so that they would never die out. Now, dregs were once vandals. They were denounced for crimes and disloyalty, and so lost two of their arms as well as being sent to fight. So, when dregs were taken, they cut out the part that they were disgraceful to their kind, and had lost their arms. So Oryx gave them their arms, and they then became vandals again.

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                      • I thought that harpies are similar to death singers and wanted to learn how to weave and I weave the very existence of a thing

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                      • Damn man Taken Harpies are Gorgons... [spoiler]BUNGIE YOU HELD BACK TTK FROM LAUNCH AS WELL? WHAT THE ACTUAL FU-[/spoiler]

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                        • Nice theory

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