I'm just saying for people to be so exclusionary is what's hurting the destiny player base. Like, how bad are you that you can't include a first timer in your raids? Just the other day I ran with a group that had two first timers and we finished in just over an hour. I'm certainly not saying that happens all the time, I've quit groups that didn't have their s**t together and yeah, it was a waste of time, but everyone has to start somewhere. Tons of people end up quitting the game because they can't find people willing to help and it's ridiculous. If you're half as good as you think you are with your grimoire score being so high, you can certainly help out a newer player or two sometime.