Here's how I know that it's definitely an issue with the servers and not our individual networks/connections. I play quite regularly with a few 'friends', and we do heroics, crucible and raids together. We are all on voice chat when we do that. Time and again, in the middle of, say, a heroic or crucible, I'll suddenly get the "trying to connect" message, and then if it goes all the way, It restarts Destiny with an error code like 'baboon'. That all sounds normal, right? But here's the rub. Every single time it happens when we're grouped, we ALL get kicked simultaneously and with the same error code. There's no interruption to the voice chat (I think we're all on the PSN network for chat), or my netflix streaming in the background. (I have a 75mbit cable connection so this is not an issue). All of us are hardwired to our routers, and I have a network diagnostic running that tells me if there are dropped packets, or unusual errors. I have yet to see something that corresponds with a Destiny server "glitch". And here's the kicker... we're all in different time zones. One is on the east coast (EST), another in California (PST), I'm in Idaho, mountain time, and others are Central time. So it couldn't be a "glitch" on one of our networks. That hiccup would have to happen simultaneously across many different ISPs and networks across the country for that to hold up, if it really was on OUR side. So yeah, Bungie/Activision are pretty clearly the source of the problem. I dislike when companies (Blizzard was notorious for this for awhile too) pass the blame to the user, who then jumps through all kinds of hoops to "fix" what isn't broken! I would like a heads up whenever there's a reboot, or better load balancing or whatever it takes! We've been bumped all at once as a crew of 6 while in orbit! That's just ridiculous. I love the game, and have endured it. Considering the many millions of regular players, it's time to get those issues sorted out! Peace out.