You used 20 as a value Not "around 20" or "20 or so" you said "20 of each" don't change the idea now that I've expressed how low that is as an example. And what mean by hundreds, is just that. Me and my friend running groups of 4 through new and old raids, poe , strikes, leveling, missions, just about everything. It's what a group of 10 of us do while we wait on new content. It what we've done since the begining. Xbox 360, xb1, ps3 and ps4. Something we've always agreed upon is seeing a much quicker skill increase among those who play the game than those who farm grim. This is after playing with 1000s of people as a whole. In short ammount of time and long terms too. This is the op ion formed an expressed to the op upon the experience allowing me to form such a valid opinion after playing with so many peopl. So you understand now.