You used 20 as a value Not "around 20" or "20 or so" you said "20 of each" don't change the idea now that I've expressed how low that is as an example. And what mean by hundreds, is just that. Me and my friend running groups of 4 through new and old raids, poe , strikes, leveling, missions, just about everything. It's what a group of 10 of us do while we wait on new content. It what we've done since the begining. Xbox 360, xb1, ps3 and ps4. Something we've always agreed upon is seeing a much quicker skill increase among those who play the game than those who farm grim. This is after playing with 1000s of people as a whole. In short ammount of time and long terms too. This is the op ion formed an expressed to the op upon the experience allowing me to form such a valid opinion after playing with so many peopl. So you understand now.

You see I would agree with you if your stats agree with you Which they do not It doesn't not seem like you have helped that many people Secondly your opinion is your opinion I'm sure of it that their is a higher chance of the player being better if he has a high grimoire ( not 100% hence the " higher chance" ) No ones saying that low grimoire folk are bad but I'd bet my money on the higher ones to be honest

OMG I said in my original reply befor we even started talking about this that I do most of my playing on xbox. I just have ps4 data because I started on ps3, started over on xbox1, when I play on ps4 it's just to hang with close friends Mostly in pvp. Jesus, you obviously spend your time just thinking about what you gonna say next instead of reading then replying. So hence forth any further communications will be met with silence since your reading comprehension is meager at best. Good day.