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Sorry, man. Grimoire is not skill. It's stubborn determination. X-thousand kill's of a specific enemy for 15 points? That's not skill. 15 points for 50 raid completions? Not skill. It is a reflection of experience.
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  • [quote]Grimoire is not skill. It's stubborn determination. It is a reflection of experience.[/quote] But isn't experience (practice) equate to skill, as what you practice at you'll get better at, especially when most raids don't really require skill, but knowing the mechanics (which can be measured in grimoire)? I honestly don't think most raids require skill, but the knowledge of the mechanics. So if I had to pick, I'd say experience is more important than raw skill, especially since it's easier to measure experience (high grimoire) than it is to measure skill (word of mouth).

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  • I have played with plenty of people who are very experienced but still terrible at the game lol i think the only true way to know if someone is skilled is to see it with your own eyes or an overwhelming majority of people that say a person is skilled.

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  • They could have done a lot of stuff (raid wise) once or twice and have a high grimore but little experience. So it's hard to say they have a lot of experience in the raid

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  • No, experience does not equal skill. It never has. People want it to, but it still does not. Some people are just bad. It's a reality. Some people are just good. That's a reality too. Some people can pick up this game and immediately be excellent at it. Some people can play this game for two years and still suck at it. It's life… most people have something that the excel at. But that doesn't mean they could ever "git gud" at this game.

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  • Edited by Mr Goodkat: 2/17/2016 12:10:28 AM
    [quote]No, experience does not equal skill. It never has. People want it to, but it still does not. Some people... Some people...Some people...Some people...[/quote] Again, we're talking in generalities, as I said most of the time, and OP said 95% of the time. Yes, there are exceptions to the rule. But most? Experience trumps skill in PvE raids. One sec, I'm just going to copy and paste one of my previous posts here... Edit: Maybe in PvP. But the PvE raids? There is not much raw skill involved. Certain parts take a little more skill than others (being an under leveled sword bearer, or under leveled solo the gatekeepers), but the rest? You run over here, shoot this big guy, run over there, all the while not dying. Raids, in Destiny, are not about raw skill, but knowing the mechanics, what to do, where to go (and where not to so you don't die), etc. It's easier to measure the experience in a high grimoire person (measured in numbers which you can), than it is the raw skill in a low grimoire person (which is mostly measured in what they claim). From what I've encountered in all my time here, is it's about as uncommon to find a low level grimoire person who is great at a raid they haven't done or done often, as it is to find a high grimoire person who is bad at it (both are equally uncommon). Rather than take a random low level (who will more than likely be bad), it's easier to take the high level (who will more than likely be good). So that's why I think experience is the determining factor, not raw skill, in raids. All that's moot to me as I used to have a dedicated raid team and have a fairly active clan that I help inexperienced people through, rather than LFG. But if you still think that raw skill in low grimoire is more common than experience measured in high grimoire (again, we're talking those most cases, not the exception to the rule), well, I guess we'll have to agree to disagree.

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  • Edited by BRAX7ON 117: 2/17/2016 12:16:03 AM
    Ok. Agreed to disagree But let me say this: I do not have a regular raid team. I use LFG every week. Honestly even somebody who has done the raid is not an indication of somebody who is good at it. And light level can be thrown out of the window too. I've run with plenty of 320 and 319 players that weren't any better than the 310 player. My point is that grimoire score is just a number and is in no way indicative of a persons ability. It does equate to their experience however. And that may give you a statistically higher chance of success.

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