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[url=https://www.reddit.com/r/DestinyTheGame/comments/3ivw3k/does_grimoire_really_correlate_with_skill_with/]Note : Also check out this reddit post, its another experiment done with Grimoire[/url]
[b]NOTE : GHOST GIVE 760
NOTE : CALCIFIED FRAGMENTS GIVE 310[/b]
If a person has more experience they tend to have more skill.
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I am not saying all low Grimoire score players are bad, I am not saying all high Grimoire score players are good. But majority of the high Grimoire score players are good, and majority of the low Grimoire score players are not good. Think about it, there are a lot of people with low Grimoire scores, some this might be there first FPS, some might be extreme casuals, some just don't care. But people with high Grimoire score play the game a lot, they care about the game and spend a lot of time on it.[/b]
Let me give you an example. I have been doing this for the past weeks and it has worked out for me. When I am looking for a raid group I would go to LFG and post something similar to this.-
[quote]Need people for a fast raid run. Only requirement I have is must have a 4600+ Grimoire score[/quote]
And I posted this morning -
[quote]Looking for 5 players to do 2 fast runs. Only requirement is to have a 4600+ Grimoire and have enough time to run it more than once. 1 run should take 50mins.[/quote]
The people who met the requirements had no problem messaging there Grimoire score, but others got so mad, they called me a "grimoire scub", "fu.cking retarded", and more stuff. Some people can't read at all and posted their light level. I didn't care about light level at all. It happened every week I've done this. It was really ridiculous.
Do you want to know the time for all 3 of my runs?
54m 27s - http://destinytracker.com/dg/4662858649 (Warlock)
1h 4m 53s - http://destinytracker.com/dg/4663058534 (Titan)
51m 39s - http://destinytracker.com/dg/4663230540 (Hunter)
All of these runs went smoothly, becasue of that one requirement. If I would've had a light level requirement there is no telling what will happen, majority of the time it just goes bad. It is so easy to get carried to 315 and it is so easy just to get there without trying. Grimoire score shows more skill then a light level. So please don't message me on LFG if you don't meet my requirements and don't say "add me" if you don't meet them either.
It's my fireteam, if you don't meet the requirements then you can't join so don't rage at me. Do you rage at someone asking for 315+ light level when you are 313? Do you rage at someone asking for Black Spindle, when you don't have the gun yet?
Now let tell you what actually goes into a Grimoire score, and its not just dead ghost -
Your grimoire score will increase if you :
Get Crucible kills on Warlock, Hunter and Titan
Get PvE kills on Warlock, Hunter, and Titan
Played during the House of Wolfs days, when fallen attacked on patrol
Killed certain bosses in PvE
Killing an amount of certain enemies in PvE
Get weapon kills with all types of weapons, not just a shotgun and hand cannon ;p
Playing multiply PvP modes and winning at them, not just control and iron banner.
Playing maps in Crucible for the first time.
Playing events in the game,
Finding ghost/frags exploring the game.
All these will increase your Grimoire score, becasue it gives you a feel for the game, you are playing the game while doing this. Yes this might be like other FPS games but it still plays a bit different. Yes some people have an awesome FPS background and are already amazing in PvP.
Someone who has been playing longer would know more. There are some prodigies in the world but not a lot, it takes time to get good. Remember in Elementary school when your teachers would always say practice makes perfect, it actually works a lot of the time but not all the time.
[b]PvP Skill section of the tread -[/b]
When I look for a trails group on LFG I always say have a 1.3 KD or higher because my KD is 1.3. I do not base PvP skills off grimoire, because lots of people have a FPS background and are good.
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Edited by DaWgPoUnD4TW: 2/17/2016 6:46:42 AMTLDR but no it doesn't. Edit: I read it, makes sense I guess lol.
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Skill and experience... Lets say a 70 year old stripper. She been doing this for 50 years. Yes, she has experience, but skill now, might be lacking.
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Experience through time can mask unskilled people that just got better by playing a lot. People without experience and without skill are the ones you want to avoid.
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Is having experience (grimoire) = skills? Have you ever fall down the ship jumping maze by accident and land on another one on the way down but not by pure luck but by actual skills? If you can't then you can keep your grimoire score... I have a whole collection of games/consoles from classic to next gen, but i don't claim that i'm very skilled or have finished every single game, i just collect them.
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Raids don't require skill, they require experience. So your logic for raid teams is spot on.
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You can actually relate grimoire scores from the loot cave... How? Just keep shooting on the same target until you actually get a grimoire score... No skill in there or whatsoever... Or you can walk around and find a new place... That gives a grimoire score...
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Maybe not necessarily skill, but certainly Experience.
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I wouldn't say skilled, so far I'm linking em to be the biggest winers on the forums. I swear 9 outta 10 times I go to mute someone, they are usually 4500+ grimoire, all 3 classes lvled, etc.
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Edited by aMcConghie16: 2/17/2016 4:24:23 AMIs my score acceptable? I feel it's pretty high I spent a lot of time getting it to where it is Side note: I started playing destiny around the time of house of wolves came out .
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It indicates experience
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Edited by Stay Frosty: 2/17/2016 6:21:20 AMI try not to judge. However when a 2k- low 3k grimoire guardian tries to lead, I find it questionable.
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I don't have 4k grimoire due to the fact I'm not a year 1 player. Someone tried trash talking me saying I'm a bad 320 warlock bc my grimoire was low. This was coming from a 303 hunter who was missing shadowshots and rage quit court of oryx. You know your mad when you rage quit pve. Well if you check my kings fall completions I have more than most people and I bet I'm more skilled in kings fall than most people with high grimoire.
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For the most part, yes, it does.
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How funny that so many think "experience" does not lead to "skill".Does it always? No but most of the time it does. This applies to most real life things like jobs.Would you want that fresh out of school doctor doing a organ transplant or 1 that has done many?
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First of let me say that I have 4700+ grimore. I think that most of the time in pve it matters mostly. But, if you are talking pvp i am super bad.
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Higher grimoire generally means more playtime, which leads to more practice/experience. In pve it can be a good example to use for someone you've just met trough the forums to know that they have had experience playing this game. In pvp it means much less. But for a raid, if I see a high grimoire score my immediate thought is "they've done this before"
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I have more trials kills them most people and been flawless and have scarab and my grumpier scores low as -blam!-
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I agree with everything you just said. I have yet to meet a high grim player that wasn't competent in every aspect of the game. I'm sure they exist, but Ive yet to see them.
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Skill no. Experience yes.
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Only scrubs brag about grimore.
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I'm sure you could be the best at pve and pvp whilst still having a low grimoire.
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I understand Grimoire is supposed to represent experience, therefore relating it to skill, but I hardly think that the people who spent 3+ hours sitting in the same room, killing the same enemy over and over have the same amount of experience as those who used those 3 hours on other activities.
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I still have a lot of Ghosts to find.
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Well obviously you've played quite a lot and therefore should know more about the game then most, so it comes to a surprise that after all this time you've not figured out that besides as using it to tell whether one has completed an activity, Grimoire does not matter in the least.
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Ot only shows play time in all honesty. Pvp can help develop quicker reflexes and reaction timing, and pve helps with the grimoire. Idk who the -blam!- cares, play the game and have fun. Cause bungie is set on ruining our fun as quickly as possible
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Edited by Apex Morzh: 2/17/2016 4:03:30 AMI literally have never -blam!-ed up in raid before and my grimoire isn't that high and also with trials kd is a pointless statistic if you have a .2 kd and a 30 dtr and a 1500+ elo then I'd love to have you on my team