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Edited by Jaymz: 2/22/2016 10:20:36 AM
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Does Grimoire = Skill (95%+ of the time)?

Yes

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No

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Please explain your answer [url=https://www.reddit.com/r/DestinyTheGame/comments/3ivw3k/does_grimoire_really_correlate_with_skill_with/]Note : Also check out this reddit post, its another experiment done with Grimoire[/url] [b]NOTE : GHOST GIVE 760 NOTE : CALCIFIED FRAGMENTS GIVE 310[/b] If a person has more experience they tend to have more skill. [b] I am not saying all low Grimoire score players are bad, I am not saying all high Grimoire score players are good. But majority of the high Grimoire score players are good, and majority of the low Grimoire score players are not good. Think about it, there are a lot of people with low Grimoire scores, some this might be there first FPS, some might be extreme casuals, some just don't care. But people with high Grimoire score play the game a lot, they care about the game and spend a lot of time on it.[/b] Let me give you an example. I have been doing this for the past weeks and it has worked out for me. When I am looking for a raid group I would go to LFG and post something similar to this.- [quote]Need people for a fast raid run. Only requirement I have is must have a 4600+ Grimoire score[/quote] And I posted this morning - [quote]Looking for 5 players to do 2 fast runs. Only requirement is to have a 4600+ Grimoire and have enough time to run it more than once. 1 run should take 50mins.[/quote] The people who met the requirements had no problem messaging there Grimoire score, but others got so mad, they called me a "grimoire scub", "fu.cking retarded", and more stuff. Some people can't read at all and posted their light level. I didn't care about light level at all. It happened every week I've done this. It was really ridiculous. Do you want to know the time for all 3 of my runs? 54m 27s - http://destinytracker.com/dg/4662858649 (Warlock) 1h 4m 53s - http://destinytracker.com/dg/4663058534 (Titan) 51m 39s - http://destinytracker.com/dg/4663230540 (Hunter) All of these runs went smoothly, becasue of that one requirement. If I would've had a light level requirement there is no telling what will happen, majority of the time it just goes bad. It is so easy to get carried to 315 and it is so easy just to get there without trying. Grimoire score shows more skill then a light level. So please don't message me on LFG if you don't meet my requirements and don't say "add me" if you don't meet them either. It's my fireteam, if you don't meet the requirements then you can't join so don't rage at me. Do you rage at someone asking for 315+ light level when you are 313? Do you rage at someone asking for Black Spindle, when you don't have the gun yet? Now let tell you what actually goes into a Grimoire score, and its not just dead ghost - Your grimoire score will increase if you : Get Crucible kills on Warlock, Hunter and Titan Get PvE kills on Warlock, Hunter, and Titan Played during the House of Wolfs days, when fallen attacked on patrol Killed certain bosses in PvE Killing an amount of certain enemies in PvE Get weapon kills with all types of weapons, not just a shotgun and hand cannon ;p Playing multiply PvP modes and winning at them, not just control and iron banner. Playing maps in Crucible for the first time. Playing events in the game, Finding ghost/frags exploring the game. All these will increase your Grimoire score, becasue it gives you a feel for the game, you are playing the game while doing this. Yes this might be like other FPS games but it still plays a bit different. Yes some people have an awesome FPS background and are already amazing in PvP. Someone who has been playing longer would know more. There are some prodigies in the world but not a lot, it takes time to get good. Remember in Elementary school when your teachers would always say practice makes perfect, it actually works a lot of the time but not all the time. [b]PvP Skill section of the tread -[/b] When I look for a trails group on LFG I always say have a 1.3 KD or higher because my KD is 1.3. I do not base PvP skills off grimoire, because lots of people have a FPS background and are good.

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  • Edited by Thorn: 3/7/2016 6:07:40 PM
    Yea definitely agree. I my self have Max Grimoire (4870 :P) and while I can't exactly say it equals skill for PvP,in PvE I've knocked hard raids out 40 or so minutes with a team of Max Grimoires. No wipes or anything. You have to actually play the game to reach max. 50 raids,100 wins in most crucible game modes,etc.

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    • Edited by --KNIGHT--: 2/27/2016 9:11:28 AM
      Mans getting confuzzled. So you get over 1000 grimoire for all that?

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      • Whats grimoire? :/

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      • I have no skill so my Grimoire, such as it may be, certainly isn't reflecting any skill on my part!

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      • Please answer this question, if you wanted to get a raid done in less than an hour, would you join the group that consists of players with 2000 grimoire and below? Or the group with 4800 grimoire with 2000 hours played on the game?

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        • Grimorier=no life I have 4720....

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        • If a person has more grimoire they grinded more, had more time to play etc...

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          • Edited by Scumbag Code: 2/25/2016 3:15:59 AM
            I unfortunately can't answer this without bias, but I'll still give my opinion on the matter. I personally have 4865. I think the Xbox max is 4870? I'm only missing rank 3 doubles wins and doing doubles is a nightmare since everyone learned Bungie added grmioire to it (IBs/NLBs for days, DDoS'ing, etc.). I get so much shiz from a lot of people saying I wasted my time because it means nothing, I'm a try-hard, I have no life, yada yada. But I've been playing since day one. I'm somewhat of a completionist, and I simply viewed grimoire as a parallel to Xbox achievements (which I have all of them for Destiny as well). It gave me something to do when my raid/crucible friends weren't on. Now, I'm definitely more tiered to PvE and am quite skilled (nowhere near The Legend Himself or those similar, but still quite good), and am decent at best in crucible, but that's very situational. My breakdown of the matter is this: most of the grimoire doesn't necessarily require skill, just time. But there are some that do. Like all the crucible modes that require 100 wins. Especially rumble. It's not as easy as it seems, even more so since TTK. So if you get those under your belt, you have some level of skill. In conclusion? Not necessarily a measurement of skill, but like the OP, I've found that more times than not, the higher grimoire guardians were more reliable both in PvE and PvP. And one last thing. Unless you actually make an attempt to earn the grimoire, don't bash those who do for it.

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          • [b]Final Results -[/b] This thread has been up for about a week now and think I got enough poll results to call it. Yes - 2197 No - 4901 Again I say, there is more low Grimoire score people than high Grimoire score people. So the poll can be a little bias. Anyways thanks for the feedback and your views on the topic. Had some good arguments and muted some people that were just plain ignorant. But thanks for commenting. Think this thread should die now. I will continue to find my raid groups with a Grimoire requirement if I am short on time btw ^^ (Hope it works for other people)

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          • I have max glimmer.

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            • Agree, and yes even getting ghosts shows how skilled of a player you are. Shows you are a completionist and completionist complete, ya Digg?

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            • Definitely not lmfao

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              • Nope. I've got reasonably high grimoire, and I'm f#cking terrible.

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                • Grim means nothing in my opinion. Wont ever catch me hunting ghosts.

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                  • Well [b]some[/b] people certainly are more skillful when it comes to more experience but at other times they can be completely useless. In the end people have their own way of doing things, especially when it comes to making lfg groups which is respectable that some want to do the raids quickly without a struggle or have a smooth flawless trials run, time is precious after all. It all comes down to are you willing to help those with less experience or not it's your choice, it is a pain in the ass when you're stuck on one part of something in the amount of time I should be done the whole entire raid. People who get all salty on lfg with the name calling really should respect that because there is several other options and you can even make your own groups with your own requirements

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                  • I think you are right with the grimoire, im a casual player with around 3900 grimoire i dont have all ghost and fragments so put in 500 for that. Almost there if I ever want to find them all. But it takes too much time i rather invest in other activities. Maybe 4600 is a bit steep, but i would prefer it then Light level requirments. Pvp kd depends which pvp mode rift is killing your kd haha

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                  • I can't argue with your logic. Seems solid to me.

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                  • Yes it does, but to only to a certain extent. A person with 4000 Grimore can be just as experienced as a person with 4600. Farming for ghosts and killing a few hundreds more of enemies doesn't make someone truly more experienced. Now if someone with a Grimore of 2000 was compared to someone with 4600 Grimore, then that guy with 4600 would have a lot more experience.

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                  • 69% no. There ya have it.

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                  • actually it doesn't, because your grimoire score is 4885 and your k/d is 1.3

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                    • 4600 grim ore what a piss take farming ghosts help you do a raid ha

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                      • Get 100 rumble wins. Players with Max Grimoire have both lighthouse visits and 100 rumble wins. Tell me that those two cards require no skill. Players with Max Grimoire (or close to) have to have a generally high level of skill to complete those two tasks alone

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                        • I'll put it to you like this..... I have a friends who is currently sitting on 120,000 achievement points. I am on 50,000+ (owned Xbox for equal amount of time) Is he a better play than me?......... -blam!- NO!!! He was merely an achievement hoar whereas I have some of the hardest achievements gained on xbox. Case closed.

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                          • A sh*t player can look for ghosts and fragments anyday

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                            • Goes give 760!? Wow so my grimoire score would be 4500~ if I'd just ghost hunt all day.

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