I think the point is that Bungie removed this feature (spawning with special ammo) for a reason. Obviously there are players who are talented with sniping. Bungie wanted to make it more enjoyable for those that lack that talent and make it more competitive. If a player has been using an Icebreaker in Y2 before this update then by all means go for it. But we all know the reality of it. Shame on Bungie for not nerfing the Icebreaker to the point where it isn't a viable option. On another note, did anyone verify if a Ghally rocket can stagger Oryx? I for one have never been the type to cheese a raid, whats the point? its FUN to play the game the way it was intended to be played. Just my 2 cents.....