You guys are arguing that ice breaker, invective, and side arm perks were designed to create a competitive advantage in crucible where special ammo does not start in your inventory. When these guns were created the PvP settings weren't as such. Arguing that this is how the design was intended is baseless. I have ZERO problem with the exploit. But to idiotically claim that's why the mechanics of these weapons were created is down right crazy. That would make it an exploit. <3 it's the definition. You can talk yourself in circles but if you step in a critical thinking class at a below average community college your logic would get shredded like your mom's ass in the 80's.

It is why the weapons were created as they are, to give players an advantage for having and using them. the fact you cannot understand this proves you do not know as much about how this game was made or meant to be as you like to think or claim. You are the idiot thinking it is an exploit and needs to be fixed/removed just because YOU do not like ti since YOU think that the game should be only about primary gun fire the most. when no that was never the basis of this game ever. No it would not make it an exploit it is called a tactical advantage and this is nothing new to any game ever. If you think your critical thinking is so great or you did so well your teacher must have sucked for passing you. for you fail critically at thinking about the reasons for the perks and how they are meant to be used. not everything in games is meant to be fair or balanced how YOU want them too just because YOU want to think they should be.

When did I ever say it needed to be fixed or removed? I have no problem with it. I don't have any problem with where special ammo in PvP is. I'm simply telling you these weapons weren't designed with this loophole in mind because this environment DID NOT EXIST. It is a loophole in the design, and the act of utilizing a loophole is exploiting it. You're so hung up on what you think this argument is, you can't take a second to read, think critically, and respond with a logical argument. Your post just further exemplifies how unintelligent you are and can't even take in what simple sentences mean. No where did I say remove this, or it shouldn't be here. It's an exploit. Have a great day pork chop.

You do not know how or why the weapons were desinged and what tehy were or were not meant to do in this game. Using a loophole is not exploiting anything it never was. Nor it is against any rules of this game or the console. It is you that is unintelligent if you think the guns were not meant to do as they do in the game. Your sad little insults prove you are not ok with it and want it removed. No one is falling for your attempted acts of being smarter or better than anyone else. It is NOT and exploit just because you want to claim it is.

Using a loophole is exploiting said loophole. It's the act of using it. When an environment doesn't exist when something is created, you can't say the original design was intended as used today. This all is just basic intelligence man. You're arguing with yourself, have a good day.

No it is not, it is using that said feature of the game. a loophole is not now or ever been an exploit. Yes they were designed to give you ammo when you did not have ammo or could not find ammo readily available that is why they were made with that perk.. Does not matter if this said environment existed or not before. That is how the weapons are meant to work so is not a exploit by any means.

Define the word exploit bud. Write it down in your reply. Tell me using a loophole is not an exploit. Thanks. Have a nice day! synonyms: utilize, harness, use, make use of, turn/put to good use, make the most of, capitalize on, benefit from; informalcash in on "we should exploit this new technology" You're just not smart, or just insanely stubborn.

exploit n1.a striking or notable deed; feat; spirited or heroic act: v2. to utilize, especially for profit; turn to practical account v3. to advance or further through exploitation; promote v4. to take advantage of (a person, situation, etc), esp unethically or unjustly for one's own ends none of those pertain to what you are claiming it to be, not even number 4. for how the weapons work are how they are and were meant to work always. so there is no exploitation being done for that is how they were always meant to be able to be used. Nor where did bungie ever say it was not. and they are the ones with the final say if it is an exploit or not, not some gamer playing the game and not liking how something works.

"Too utilize" lol hella dumb. So dumb I'm debating if you're this good at trolling